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"More Bad Judges"? Wow. I've been reading legal blurbs from someone with so little insight concerning judicial quality?

My bad. Live and learn.

I didn't say I agreed with Mr. Newfield. I just posted a link to what he said (as did Howard Bashman at How Appealing before me). I just thought it made for lively reading. Apparently, you did too. Thanks for reading.

I made the assumption that your choice of heading was an editorial agreement with the Nation's premise. I was apparently mistaken (shouldn't comment so late at night, I guess), and I apologize.

I should add that I deal with these FedCrt judges daily, and tend to have (maybe overly) strong views as to what makes a good judge and what makes a bad judge, and dislike the current litmus tests being imposed by the Senate filibusters as being disconnected with the day-to-day output of judges.

And, yes, I enjoy the heck out of your blog. Nice work.

I need help. If you are someone can contac me at (912-367-4947 I need to sue a Judge and I have a lawyer and I know I have a case but I cannot get help. Please help me. Thanks Mamie Moody

If you live in Washoe County (Reno Nevada) and you are of voting age pay close attention. There is a judge on the bench in family court Chuck Weller. He just got elected but has already proven to be faulty. While trying to get elected he had a go to boy and mouth piece name Jeff Veasley. Jeff Veasley just happens to be good friends with my daughter's father. I believe Jeff was telling Chuck about our family court case throughout the whole election and after Weller took the bench. Yes. I think Weller is on the take. He has been very angry and agressive towards me due to his preivious one sided knowledge of our case. Instead of doing the right thing and removing himself from the case he is staying on the case and favoring my Ex. Pactically undoing everything the honorable Judge Jordan (ret) did before Phuck Weller was elected. There has to be other cases he in bed with one of the parties. Let it be know and post it.

Toni you need to contact me ASAP. This Judge and his conduct needs to be addressed. We have rights and resources. I too have experience with this Judge and his obvious bias against women. I just need your support. nevadapal@hotmail.com

Family court Judge Chuck Weller of Reno NV lied to everyone by saying he was going to defend father's rights to get elected. Once on the bench he has single handed destroyed more GOOD father's with his (shoot from the hip) punishing motions. He takes all statements against fathers as true despite all evidence opposing them and then makes impossible orders which the fathers can never comply with. Then punishes the fathers for not following his impossible order. Everyone should outraged at his bias behavior and do everything that can legally be done to get this HITLER off the bench.

The NEW TERRORISM! Judge Chuck Weller of Washoe County Family Court has people (both men & women) running from his courtroom in TERROR. He threatens to take your children, your freedom, your property!

Weller uses whatever tactics to force you to submit to his imperial demands and tyrannical orders. Every story from each person that I have talked to in my investigation has similar experience. They are terrorized and don't understand why he is being so aggressive when they've done nothing wrong.

Does Weller ever rule on the law or does he just rule on his whims?

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Anyone who wants to read more about family Judge Chuck Weller's abusive behavior cut and paste the following links to your google. He is making himself quite a horrible repututation throughout the U.S. (well deserved I might add).

If anyone has other stories or have found other sites just post them here.

http://rebel101.com/bad_judge_award.htm

http://nevadansforequalparenting.blogspot.com/

http://www.fathersunite.org/Bad_Judges.htm

Judge Weller came into his court room late after having eaten his lunch for an emergency session that was called. A true emergency. Outside of the court roon waiting was the Governer appointed head of teen sexual abuse, the director of CASA, a medical doctor and my daughter. They were there to expose the sexual abuse of my exwife with my eight year old son. Attorney Todd Torvinen (a major financial contributor to Judge Weller) was there to represent my ex who was not even present. judge weller as he was sitting down at his bench said he had made a decision. Mind you he had not heard a single word from a witness. My attorney said he needed to hear from the witnesses mentioned above and he refused. When I objected, he threatened me with jail time if I did not hand my than 8 year old son over to Attorney Todd Torvinen. All witnesses had sworn affidavits that my son was being molested by my ex and yet Judge Weller released him into her custody. Also, the Masters Judge granted me a Protective Order on this matter.The Master Judge said "your son is at great risk if he returns to his mother." This is only a very small part of the story. Judge Weller is not only incompitent, but a very big danger to all those other children in that situation. I urge people to take this into account.

I was so happy to find this forum! The first comment my mom made when we walked out of Judge Weller's courtroom was "he had his mind made up before he even entered the room". Afterward, I decided to search him on the net just to see if I would find anything. I never expected to come across so much negativity. I honestly thought I was just being overly sensitive! I have another court date with him in the near future, any advice?

C contact us at stopjudicialabuse@hotmail.com. We will give you what we have on him.

I just had a judgement come down from Judge Weller. It is OK, under financail restraining order, for a spouse over a years time deplete community proberty retirement funds to almost nothing for own use, support a significant other, hide banks accounts and income from a financial declartion sworn to be true. All this is OK even proven by financial statements from the financial institutions and tax records. Someone explain community proberty to me again? What I read in the law must have been printed in error according to Judge Weller.

Judge Weller was one of 5 judges but most important he was there for the Settlement Hearing. Judge Weller allowed Excel produced spreadsheets to be presented by my x-wife as legal financial record of spending down 70K in home equity ( which the court signed on my behalf because of the financial restraining order I was served two weeks prior), allowing the sale of our paid off SUV to purchase a vehicle without my name on the title, loans to my x-wife and total spend down of her retirement account, tax refunds of a joint return, all home contents including my personal things like military records, underwear and a jacket. I understand why they allowed her to pay off her school loans and leave mine unpaid since she finished college while we were married and I just finished mine before the union. What I don't understand is what education degree supported our family while she stayed home with our first born for two years to finish her one year of school. How does anyone in their right mind be so abusive and unfair with the administration of the entrusted legal power they bestow? On the bases of human dignity and the scale of justice to be blindfolded from all feeling and raise your biased gavel toward the strongest entity of any society, the man. We may describe the United States as a “melting pot” but not doubt clouds my mind that you singularly circumscribe it as a “boiling pot”. After 40 years of hard work and the hardest during my 10 years of marriage I wasn't awarded enough to even call a cab, but then I didn't have far to walk since I call the street my home. Once a productive citizen, now just a homeless piece of shit. One who threw away a childhood dream to own a business and provide a better life for his own by beating his wife and molesting his children in the last year of marriage. The hardest to overcome and what the 2nd district can never give back is, the small boy in me who cried because I had no father to play catch with, now cries as a father who has no son to throw a ball to.

“I will not fight with weapons,
As to shed the blood of my brother.
I will stand steadfast with the truth,
My sword absent of its scabbard,
At my side and prepared
To become erect and
To defend my name and legacy.”

Does anybody know who wrote the above article? Please have them contact me. We are getting ready to file Judicial Complaints against Weller. Email me at idletymme@msn.com.

Judge Weller was shot today in Reno, NV. I think no matter how much this guy makes your life miserable nobody has the right to take his life. Forums like this are good to help people vent, but at times it makes people feel justified to do horrible things like this.

People in family disputes usually blame everyone but themselves for their problems. The ex is always a demon or a criminal. The lawyers are liars and incompetent. The judge is a "Hitler".

People don't have their parental rights taken away for no reason. Trying to sort out all the accusations between bickering ex-spouses must be a really horrible job -- especially now that it comes with the threat of being shot if you disappoint a crackpot who can't handle the verdict and accept responsibility.

There are always two sides to the story in family disputes.

What gets me is that despite all the fighting, flying accusations, blaming etc., it's the child or children involved that suffer the most.

If parents can work out their problems in a mature manner, seek marriage counseling or whatever, maybe these bitter nasty fights wouldn't have to be settled by a judge, whose judgement is bound to upset one side of the party.

Posted by: Jenny at June 12, 2006 12:01 PM Posted by: Alleen at June 12, 2006 12:38 PM
Posted by: Whisper at June 12, 2006 12:43 PM
I am sure you all believe your silliness,but you are all dead wrong,even if your intentions are right.
Yes, divorce is messy.No, none of what you posted changes the reality of dirty judges like this.I am not even from Nevada,we have our own crooked judges here in Michigan.
My son told me, before court, that due his step father's position as city electrical inspector, my rights would be trampled, and it would be all their way.
The judge allowed perjured testimony from YEARS beyond the legal limit, and ignored completely the FACT that I gained custody when the mother lost custody, at the behest of the state,for abuse and neglect.
Rather than be charged with kidnapping, which would have been the result if I had done what she did, she was given complete custody, and I was ordered to pay fully 9 times the amount of child support that was my legal obligation.
I had to go to the state Court of Appeals on the child support, which determined the ruling was illegal,and when it was sent back for review, it was determined that since I had paid more already than I actually owed thru age 18, I was to pay not another cent.
I didn't bother with fighting the similarly illegal transfer of custody, because my son was so brainwashed by then that it was pointless.
That judge should be in prison, he has no more regard for the law than any other felon.

So, which one of you guys shot him?

I live near the courthouse,if they have not
caught him yet then they wont.
I am very sleepy as I work grave yard, tell them to put the helicopters away

WHy all these things happen?
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He got shot! What more do you want? He'll be roasting in hell now.

HAPPY!?!?!?

When judges go beyond the law they set an example for the rest of us. Weller was shot because someone decided "he needed a little killin'." Just like Weller always decides a case before he hears the evidence. Its called "Dark Justice."

Perhaps society has finally reached the point of being upset with what we now call "the gouge".

Let me define "the gouge". The gouge is the divide between those that have and those that do not have ... enough that is. Those that have enough want more. They have to get it from someone that does not have enough. Thats because the have-enoughs hang together.

In order to accomplish the gouge, the haves (banded together) "juice" politicians and judges like you breathe air. This way, the haves can take from the have-not-enoughs.

Those that have "juiced" will not get "screwed".

Weller owes big favors to all of those lawyers and their firms that paid tons of money into his campaign against Sferrazza. Those that made Weller "king" want to be repaid in the form of patronage from their royal highness. In order for him to do that, he has to "gouge" everyone else. Take from the less than haves and give to the haves more than enough crowd.

Just imagine, after a tough campaign against Sferrazza, if Weller had lost Sferrazza would have pummeled him every time he walked into court. Winning judges have no love for losers that fought a tough campaign.

The gouge of course extends to politicians that abuse the tax system just to dole out incredible pork to their buddies and subsidies multi-billionaires at the expense of the working stiff.

The gouge extends to your local Walgreens where, depending on which area you live in, the price of a toothbrush will either be $2.99 or $1.99 based on "structured pricing" (translation: how much they think you will pay in your locale. If you life in a rich area, expect to pay the extra buck).

The gouge extends to your local gas station. There you might pay an extra 5 cents per tank of gas because the pump only has to be accurate within 10 cc's or so of a gallon. So they set their pumps accordingly.

The gouge is your bank saving up all of your checks so they can overdraft them after FIRST hitting you with your monthly fee and run you over by $1 (even though they are holding your recent cash deposit for 4 days).

The gouge is your credit card company changing the terms of your agreement and hiking your interest rate to 30 percent.

Why do the "have more than enoughs" gouge? SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY CAN FOORKING DO IT! THAT'S WHY!

And because Judge Weller can screw innocent Nevadans and particularly Reno-ites coming before his high and mighty bench, HE DOES IT WITH IMPUNITY!

So wake up folks! No one should kill another human being, even if it is this barely-resembles-human Weller. The guy who did it broke the law. The shooter likely should be punished. But under these circumstances: heck its water under the bridge so don't shed a tear for Weller. It isn't right. It isn't legal. It maybe isn't fair either. But maybe he got what he deserved anyway.

Or should I say, you live by the sword ... you die by it. Weller broke the law countless times and its rather obvious at this point. If he's a criminal why are we surprised that another criminal shot him?

Dark Justice.

There is no excuse for shooting a judicial officer. If you don't like what he is doing, follow the rules regarding getting him removed. If that doesn't work, find others that he has affected and have them try legally to get him removed. Continue until he is gone. After a while, it will become pretty clear that he is a problem child.

The problem with judges is that one side loves them and the other side hates them. It is a thousand times worse with a family court judge. You could not get me to do that job with all of the money in the world, plus thick bullet proof glass in my office windows. Life is too short to put up with a bunch of whiners and moaners, even if they are right at the end of the day, and that is a big "if."

Finally, to whoever thought that the shooter will get away, I bet you that he (yes, it will likely be a "he") will be in jail before a full week has past. He may even be dead by then, either on his own or, ironically, from a police sniper. My prayers are with the Judge, who is only doing what he thinks is correct, and with the shooter, who needs all the help that he can get. Mr. Sniper, if you are reading this, be a man, admit that you made a big mistake, and turn yourself in before things get any worse for you. And while you are at it, pray like you have never prayed before that the Judge survives. Otherwise, you could end up with a needle in your arm while the State of Nevada "drips" you. It is better than a bullet, and better than the gas chamber, but you are still
D-E-A-D!

I enjoyed listening to Chuck Weller when he had his talk show on radio station K K O H, Reno Nevada, 780 am. He seemed like a nice and reasonable person on the air, quite pragmatic.

Family Court Judge is not an easy job. Ultimately, the judge is judged by many who, in their own minds, are more qualified to apply judgment than he is.

If the shooter is arrested and makes it to court, I'm sure he'll have no difficulty in finding a nice slimy Liberal lawyer to defend his grievance and justify his circumstances and demonize, further, Judge Weller.

as Paul Harvey says, maybe, before long, we will know the rest of the story.

What amazes me about this, is that it doesn't happen more often!

Judges who disregard the law and just do what they want are worse than dirty cops. From what I have read about this guy he got what he deserved.

Jeez Mr. Warren. Two things: 1. Who gave you the right to judge anything on this issue at all when you clearly have no idea what you are talking about, unless you are a Judge or other judicial officer and a lawyer?(BTW-I am both, though not in Reno, NV. Plus, and a added bonus, I am a former police officer and your comments are getting close to illegal in my humble opinion, especially when you start to advocate murder or attempted murder of a judicial officer) 2. What are we supposed to do with you when you don't do your job right? Are you to be subject to execution also? Perhaps just a ass kicking? Huge fine maybe? What is your punishment and who am I to judge you. That's right, I am not qualified to judge you either. Let's try to keep the anti-social and somewhat less than cerebral comments safe for the likes of Jerry Springer and Howard Stern. They really have no place here. That is not to say that you are not welcome. Everyone is. I am just suggesting a bit more responsible behavior, or maybe you are just trying to stir the pot to see what rises? It happens all of the time. Did I bite?

demesq

The suspect in Wellers shooting is also suspect in a murder on the same day.

A judge may be corrupt and/or lame, but going out and trying to kill him/her is beyond comprehension.

This is why we have the Courts and the Law.

While no one should attempt to remove the judge in such a way, the response from "demesq" was also enlightening.

"I am a former police officer and your comments are getting close to illegal in my humble opinion"

So...law is based on opinion at the moment? And being a former officer makes you qualified? Someone makes a comment about it, not a threat, and you respond in a threatening way? No wonder people ARE fed up.

A web search of Mr. Mack (the suspect in the Judge's shooting) reveals priors - Domestic Violence, custody disputes, and child support arrearages. I bet the other victim is his ex wife. That protective order she requested sure did her a lot of good, eh? Normal, rational people do NOT shoot other people. Irrational people resort to such means. No small wonder this guy was losing his custody battle. No small wonder this guy took a shot at a judge.

No matter how much we do not agree with a judge's decisions, there are better ways to handle things than trying to assassinate the guy.

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Always comforting to hear about a judge being shot. The people are fed up. Family Courts do not serve families, they serve to oppress fathers.

A personal attack Desmeqye, I hope you can do better. If you are who you say you are I was hoping for much more. Please let’s just address the issues suggested in the comment.

Are you truly surprised by the events? It is a well established fact that oppression of any group in society will increase social deviance. America’s probate courts have operated with the general presumption that they are above the law. While the Supreme Courts decision in Marshall v Marshall attempted to send a message to the Probate Court Systems. Some judges still have not seen the writing on the wall that their days of autonomy are numbered.

The second part is simply a comment made in what is considered our cultural norm. Do you not believe we as Americans have a certain vigilante mentality? It is always a matter of what is considered social relevance.

An example would be a mother who shoots an individual for molesting her eight year old daughter. While some individuals may not openly condone her actions, in some circles it is certainly would be understood.

Lastly, it always amazes me how we as Americans conveniently forget our own history both negatively and positively.

“But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security”

These guys would have been detained and held at GITMO indefinitely!

Judge Weller inherited alot of nasty results from his prior successor Judge Jordan. Jordan ruined many lives in his old Nevada boy bias.
Weller seemed resonable but he carried on the old boys bias or was that his assistant court clerk-attorney? He could have been more caring with the case I saw put before him. He could have been more fair to the children.
No he doesn't deserve to die.
But HOW DO WE GET JUSTICE when bad Judges are beyond the law?
Retired Judge Jordan was one of those, many lives suffered for years from his bias.
Other Washoe court "stalking-overseer" judges also do what is easy verses just.
I hope America wakes up and stops the violent reactions. We must pray for our own sins.
The town feels creepy tonight. And I don't know why this Mack guy is the sole suspect? Uninformed maybe I am.

I have seen NV. and ID. courts allow people to hurt each other legally. And this is NOT in the BEST INTEREST OF THE CHILDREN.
The law of physic's, cause and effect. What will we do now? OVER REACT? Reno tends to have a council that does not listen to its people. I hope the National news will offer sanity options verses just a radical-paranoia.
Please will someone look into the long term corruption of Nevada courts? I heard one person say the mafia ran the state better. Well I don't know about that. But since Katrina, crime has spread where ever "her" victims have arrived. The attitude of people has lowered since 9/11 and we need to shift to save our society lest BOOM BOX STERIO CARS and negative attitudes become even more fashionable than they are. Without compassion we will all suffer. Pray by what ever Name you call your God, just Pray for ALL OUR PEOPLE. Including all those involved in this situation. Thanks.

Certain posters in this forum disgust me. Never have I seen such myopic piss-brainery as demonstrated by Richard Warren. Mr. Warren--while you clearly have no sense of justice or righteousness, perhaps a review of reality would benefit you.

When someone is unfit to be a parent, their children are at risk of being taken away. THERE ARE REASONS FOR THIS. Browse through this page. Any where, does one of the venemous posters make light of their own mistakes? Nope. It's the system's fault, The judge was unfair. Personal accountability is the foundation of law, and many of the people in this forum are attempting to subvert this. If anyone believes that the self-proclaimed victims of Judge Weller are without fault, perhaps a little un-biased research would prove otherwise to them.

And now, a man has very nearly been killed for some sniveling pissant who refused to answer to his personal accountability. Any who would say that Judge Weller deserved an attempt on his life need to take a serious look at their morality, and decide if they want to stand for unjustified, murderous rage and its effects.

If you stand on the side of murder, you disgust me, and are an unfit citizen.

Ok, I don't understand half of the things that you guys are saying, but I do know one thing. If it hadn't been for that man, my mom would still be beating up me and my brothers, getting drunk, having affairs, stealing all of our money, and beating my dad, while my dad couldn't do a thing to her or she would go to court against him. You guys say that this man is a loser and a fake, but he saw the case and helped bring out the good that's still left in my family. And if he had been a fake like you say I don't think that my father would have gotten custody. So I say thankyou Judge weller and I am praying for you

Let me put it you this way,,,,,,

National statistics’ indicate that in contested custody disputes less than three percent of fathers win custody of the children. Joint custody is also only ordered less than five percent of the time. This means that ninety two percent of the time sole custody is awarded to the mother. Now I didn’t know about you, but I find it very hard to believe that ninety two percent of fathers are unfit as you say. This leads me to believe that fathers are being treated unfairly.

Now let address the personal responsibility issue.

In a twelve month period this Judge had twenty eight appeals filed against decisions made in his courtroom. The appeals filed against the other two Judges in this court house were three and zero respectfully. You may not be aware, but appealing a Judge’s decision is a very costly proposition. Further, you can’t just file an appeal simply because you don’t like the Judge’s decision. There has to be an error of law in the Judges decision as the basis for the appeal. So this indicates to me that either the Judge just ignored the law, or as suggested was crooked.

So I will say it again, he got what he deserved and I certainly do not have any sympathy for him. I feel the same about his situation as I do for the drug dealer that gets shot in a drug deal gone badly. Nor do I have any sympathy for the priest who is molested in jail after being convicted of sexual molesting the alter boy.

Now why you may point out that he is a justice of the court. That just makes it worse, a degree of trust was placed in him just like the priest, and it was violated.

Now a reality check for you! Do you really believe that the United States Government gave African Americans equal rights simply because of Martin Luther King preaching’s. No, it was the riots and violence that ensued after his death. Oppression and unfair treatment usually lead to violence.

Another example was the quote that I previously gave. That quote led to a war that founded this country. I believe that example of social disobedience was a positive outcome.

Oh, and by the way their were no Weapons of Mass Destruction.

After reading an article about corrupt 'senior' judges in the Sunday LA Times June 11, 2006 I've become very interested and disgusted about these judges. After hearing about the shooting I decided to read up on the judge and found this website. I am not implying anything about Weller, but I never realized how badly crippled and scary our judicial system can be. But I hope with experiences (good and bad) we can learn to create a better system. Maybe there should be forums discussing potential judges and such so we can make better decision in the future.

Cant people do anything right next time try a crowd pleaser=500 pound GBU--As far as you uninformed morons as to they deserve some sort of human rights "take legal action or appeals" you dont have a clue they remain unaccountable and protected from any kind of action! Therefore they are worst then terrorist using the rights we die for, a fucking joke. FYI the family court is not a court of law it is an evil parallel Administrative court where YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS. DONT SHOW UP its based on agreements and they wont let you talk "thats how they get you" silence is considered an acceptance of thier agreement! GET IT. INFORMED CONSENT Not given

After reading about this Mack character, I have to say that this asshole should grow up, after having THREE children with his wife.

Richard Warren wrote: "n a twelve month period this Judge had twenty eight appeals filed against decisions made in his courtroom. The appeals filed against the other two Judges in this court house were three and zero respectfully."

Could you please site where you got this information... weblinks, etc. I would like to view this information for myself. Thanks in advance.

I've been reading these posts since yesterday afternoon and I am very disappointed in our community. I work in family law and see the pain that occurs during these cases. Judges, lawyers, etc. do not create this pain, the parties involved do. Judge Weller did not marry Mr. Mack nor did he tell him how to live his life until the case came to his court. The judge's roll is to make things better for the kids, not for the parents. The parents are suppose to be grown adults to make their own decisions. The kids can't do that and must rely on their parents. When the parents aren't mature enough someone has to step in and be their voice. If the body they found is in fact Mr. Mack's "ex"-wife, then these children just lost their mother and their father. What a shame and what a selfish father to take that away from them. I truely hope that these children find a loving and caring home and sane people to care for them.

Is it common for monthly child support to be approx. $900/month for 3 children while the spousal support is $10,000/month? That was the case here and it struck me as odd. Perhaps I don't understand how the financial decisions are made by the court.

I too stumbled onto this site after finding it on www.crimelibrary.com.

I have to admit, after reading all the complaints about this particular judge, my first reaction, is this guy must be a problem.

I'm a former police officer and never dealt with family law and family courts, but I dealt enough with domestic disturbances, the fact is, the father was by far the problem issue in most of the domestic cases I was involved in.

Now mind you, I was a police officer in the Air Force, not in civilian life, but hey, society's issues are the same in the military as they are in the civilian world.

I am now a pastor, and still see the majority of "spiritual" issues and problems in the family's stem from the father. I am a father of two young children, and I live my life with purpose, morals, and love with the intent of never seeing the inside of a family court.

If others lived their lives this way, putting their children first, instead of depending on the courts and law, things would be much better. But hey, I'm a realist, and it's not gonna happen until Jesus Christ comes back, and sets up his own "court system". Enough ranting by me!

Psalm 142:6-7

With all due respect, Richard, "spiritual" issues are between the individual and his/her god. I'm sure there are other boards for that type of discussion. Love and compassion are not solely a Christian trait.

That being said, I'll leave you with this from my spiritual leader:

"choose to be optimistic, it feels better." - Dali Lama

That guy Garrett said his wife took him for everything and played like he's the victim. The last things he mentioned was how he was left with no cash for a cab and that he had beaten his wife, and molested his children. What a damned fool. Hey idiot ... You're lucky you're not shot somewhere for molesting the kids you perverted pedophile piece of shit. No one feels sorry for you, go to hell pedo !

My name is also Warren and I am a reporter covering this and have links to this site in my report. Whoever is the former police officer please do not refer to "Richard Warren" as "Mr. Warren" but rather Richard. It is confusing my friends and readers and they think I am this same "Mr. Warren" you are threatening. They were concerned you might be another jewish sniper about to snap. Oops did I slip and say he was a jewish pawn shop broker from Reno ? My bad, that was supposed to be kept from the public.

Thanks,
Warren

Mack has an active ebay site selling diamonds. Prices range from $3000ish to $1,200,000. His feedback score is 98.2. The name of the ebay store is ucdealshere.

I must admit that when the news first came out about the shooting, I got on line and read about Judge Weller. From what I read.... What a Jerk!!! You have to admit that.

Darren Mack is a murdering Jerk!!! Also he is very dumb. He took his complaints about the Judge to New's 4 a couple weeks ago. The media can't fight his battles for him. He should have appealed the order in court.

In my opinion Judge Weller did not have the 3 Mack children's best interest in mind when he made his order. He was just flexing his power.

Darren Mack proved yesterday that he is a crap father. Yes Darren had a raw deal, but nothing compared to the raw deal he left his kids. He left his 3 children a horrible legacy that will follow them for generations.

SHAME ON JUDGE CHUCK WELLER, BUT EVEN MORE SHAME ON DARREN MACK. I would sentence Chuck Weller 10 years and for Darren Mack the death penalty.

It is my understanding that Mack only had one child with Charla, he was step-father to the others, therefore the low child support. He was married before, had a child with that woman, and fought the system back then over supporting that child. What a guy.

Ok...so lets get this right...Darren Mack a third generation business owner at Reno kills his wife? and the judge. Chuck Weller has been shot and is in the hospital. The second shooting is possiby the wife.

Judge Weller supposedly awarded the wife $900 a month for child support and $10,000.00 a month spousal support. So I guess the money is the motive.

Judge Weller supposedly has taken the same actions against many other citizens coming before him.

So Darren Mack will be charged with one count of capitol murder and one count of attempted murder plus numerous counts of other crimes related to the events. Death Penalty case for sure.

Darren Mack will pursue a defense that the judge was a corrupt and was stealing his third generation business . He will also charge that his former wife was stealing his third generation business. He will say " I had no recourse... I was being robbed ...legally.

This case has all the right stuff. A man against the powers that be... the right defend your home and business... the Right to Bear Arms...

Looks like this case is going to be front and center...

As the ACFC has done we condemn this shooting.
NEP has always advocated a peaceful approach to reforming our family courts. Darren Mack was not a member of NEP, he did attend a couple of our support group meetings. His case involved a great deal of money and custody issues. We believe that the current system of having a "winner" and a loser" in family court is the problem. A parent should not have to "win" the custody of their child. Both parents have an inherent right to custody of their children. This is what is best for children. For this reason we advocate for a presumption of joint custody upon divorce. If one parent is unfit then the other side must prove it beyond a reasonable doubt before that parents rights" can be taken away. This will go a long way to reducing the tension and animosity that is generated in the family courts, and hopefully prevent a tragedy such as this from ocurring again. Ask yourself, who benefits from ongoing litigation and animosity in family court? Follow the money.

after reading some of the views on the events yesterday with Chuck Weller and this Darren Mac, this does not surprise me in the least. Yes Darren has committed a crime Weller was shot but ultimately once again they are not the ones that will suffer the most, it will be those children. Those children have had there mother and father both now taken from them. I have been listening to the radio for the last day and it brings feelings and anxietyies of my incounters with this particular judge within the past months.
Yes becuase of my actions in the past as well as my ex husbands that is why we were there, I take resposability for that however when two people cannot agree to any exstent we are to turn to the court system for guidance within the laws.
In my case which has been on ghoing for years now, my case was then assigned to Wellers court. I have to say that when a judge is assigned new cases he out to look over what is being set in front of him...he had not...he was unaware of the fact of numerous TPO's against my ex, the jail time for beeting an ex-girlfried the attempted suicides, the drug use, police reports many many diffrent things...I have full legal and physical custody of my children and have had from day one!
When my ex decided that he wanted to try and be the "Good Father" again with new girlfriend the issue was pushed and I was to start letting them see there father...after all the evidence that I put in front of him, the interviews that CASA did with freinds family WCSO, none of this seemed to matter to Weller, not even the interviews with the childrens schools showing that the children starting failing in school.... none of this mattered, why not?
I am there becasue of my children, no other reason....but yet me wanting to protect my children from this man that has repeatedly shown he is not stable, over time given visitation and when I asked when my children are with there father and something happens to them becasue of his affiliation with certain groups his comment to me was well, its my ex's constitutional right to have his children around whom ever he wants and if there is an issue involving there well being we will deal with it then....what is a mother suppose to do?
I dont know Weller personally and I dont ever want to.....I dont ever want to stand in his court room ever again either....he is not for/about the kids. I dont want to ever hear him tell me that it is not up to my children if they do not want to go to there fathers, they are children and they will do what they are told!
Its not about the children folks its not, think about it. Do your research before you elect someone you may have to stand in front of one day....

While what Darren Mack did(alledged if we wish to remain PC)is unforgivable, please think of his family and the family of Charla Mack when you are posting ignorant comments. The Mack family, while being one of the "haves" mentioned above, has suffered through more tragedy than anyone deserves. The loss of a father in a plane crash, a grandparent to a drunk driver, Darren's mother and brother must now deal with the storm this has wrought and Charla's family will now have to suffer her loss. The children have lost both a mother and father.

Thanks for the reality check Big_Daddy. My condolensces go out to all family and friends effected by this tragedy. They will have many difficult days ahead due to the actions of others. Hopefully, they will one day again find peace and happiness.

Picture a fire breathing dragon getting fat gobbling up children, yours included. You kneel before the dragon and plead with him to eat no more children while also promising that you will do nothing but peacefully protest. Who among you believes that dragon will starve itself just because you ask it to?

I cannot believe you people. The vast majority of you are keyboard warriors who don't have a clue as to what is going on, the facts, or what you are talking about. No wonder mobs are so dangerous. Let's get some facts on the table as clearly as possible on a number of points, then I have to get back to work.

1. Richard Warren: You don't know what you are talking about at all when it comes to appeals, the reason for filing same, etc. It matters very little how many appeals were filed. What matters is how many times the Supreme Court said that the Judge made the correct decision, or not.
Furthermore, you don't have to have squat to file an appeal other than the money to pay an attorney and the ability to make a BS argument as to why the judge did something wrong, etc. All this garbage that you are throwing out is simply not sticking to the wall at all. Again, you don't know what you are talking about.

2. As to Nope at June 12: Yes, thank you, as a matter of fact, my being a former police officer DOES qualify me to give my OPINION that I thought that Warren was GETTING CLOSE to illegal activity with his rantings. Do you see the distinction now? But if you had bothered to read the rest of my comments, the fact that I am a LAWYER and a Judicial Officer aka JUDGE also adds a little bit of weight to my qualifications to leave my OPINION. Right, wrong or whatever, if you think that the First Amendment allows you carte blanche authority to run your mouth and to say whatever you want, then you better think some more. Nothing could be further from the truth. Look back to 9/11 as a HUGE reason for that and I am not just talking about the Patriot Act. Various state laws have changed on that issue also. Frankly, I don't like that at all. Still, I can't do much about it if I am locked up and being questioned by the Feds about why it is that I think that it is okay for some Family Court judge THAT I READ ABOUT on some website to get shot in the chest, especially when I don't have ANY first hand knowledge about the underlying case supposedly leading to it at all.

3. Unless Mr. Warren was one of the litigants to any of the cases that he is wailing and pontificating about, then he does not, again everyone, and a one, and a two, and a three, KNOW WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT. If you don't know the facts, then you aren't qualified to even give any sort of decent opinion. It is just so much hot air coming from the south end of a northbound horse.

As this has now deteriorated into a bunch of people complaining about the judge, when they have never had a case with this judge, and when it is quite common for the losing party to blame everyone but themselves (as a couple of writers aptly mentioned, everyone is at fault, except for themselves) I am going back to work and you keyboard warriors can go back to saving the galaxy and jousting at your windmills. Enjoy.

PS: Ironically, I found this site after doing a search on the Judge after I found out that he had been shot. While a bunch of you now have opinions about what a jerk he is, based on the musings and rantings of others, I drew no such conclusions at all, but then I have education, training and experience in this area. See what happens when you take the time to learn about things before making up your mind? Mind you, after doing a lot more investigation and research into the Judge I could eventually come to the same conclusion as have those of you currently shooting from the lip. The benefit, however, in such a situation is that I would have something tangible and factual to back up my opinion. Have a nice day. demesq

NEP people, You will never admit that a father can be "unfit". Carla Mack knew her ex was unfit, but the courts didn't help her, did they? She is now dead. The daughter is left alone to be raised by relatives. Darren Mack was an unfit father! No "good dad" would ever consider taking the life of a child's mommy! No matter how much he hated her, he was NOT thinking about his daughter...he was thinking only of himself, as many father's do.
Yes, moms do to, but we are not talking about a mom here - Yet another strike against "your side" NEP. If Darren Mack attended some of your meetings, I am sure his rage against Char was clear- did any of you help him to seek counseling? No, you probaly egged him on! FIGHT,FIGHT,FIGHT for your rights... isn't that your motto? This mans life was spiraling out of control. He was in backruptcy, long before his marriage ended. Charla recently asked the courts for a psycological(sp) exam of Mr. Mack and it was denied - BY Judge Weller! It is all public record. In this case NEP, "Joint Custody" was not in the best interest of the child involved, as ANY person who has it in them to "kill" is NOT a good canidate for "Joint Custody" and apparently Char knew this. Some of us don't just "fight in court for custody" just for the sake of fighting or because we hate our former spouse, some of us have REAL concerns about the other parent. The courts never listen to that parent and encourage a custody dispute. Maybe the law should be: We all get serious counseling before a custody award will be addressed! Maybe every kid involved in divorce should go live in foster care while the folks have there heads examined! I am sure this little girl, who just lost both her mommy and daddy would agree on this one! Now, she has lost both of them. NEP people, you say you want equality, yet your group is made up of mostly angry fathers, some of who might be considered "unfit" fathers! Get a clue!Read your posts! Some of these members sound "unfit" to be be anyones parent let alone a human being!

RE:SHAME-ON-YOU,
VERY WELL PUT. I couldn't agree more.

Sounds like you just made your point. You're just 'itchin' to fight. Get some help.

Yesss..... 1 down...

I think it is interesting to see how someone's opinion can be the complete opposite of someone else's. You have people saying that Judge Weller is biased against women, and more people saying that he is biased against men. I think that no matter what happens in a courtroom, one side is bound to lose. They will search for someone else to blame because they feel that they have been treated unfairly. That's just the way it is.

To George: You're 100% correct about the parents causing the strife at home where their children live. It's not the judges or lawyers who should be blamed for these selfish parents who won't work out their problems and issues for their children's sake. If you can't share the burden and make sacrifices for your own flesh and blood, then don't have children, or better select a mate that will be a good provider and parent to begin with. Being a lawyer and judge is not easy, they're only human and do their job the best they can.

sundown, i completely agree with your standing on this issue. The judges aren't the ones to blame, when the parents cause all the problems that end up hurting the children even more.

Nobody EVER said life was fair!

Life isn't fair. it's full of mistakes and tears and regrets. That's just the way life is. People make mistakes, but then learn from them and better their future. Tears are shed, but they are drid by a helping hand. Regrets are felt, but you learn how to deal with them and not make the same mistakes in the upcoming future.

for those of you that say its the parents fault I agree with you, however when there is a problem you either fix it or leave it alone, yes?

someone once asked me a question......If you knew you had cancer and you knew it was going to kill you would you leave it alone or would you try and get ride of it?

you have to fix the problem or the child will be mentally affected for the rest of his/her life. you really do not have a choice in the matter if you are deciding in the best interest of the child.

Cancer and children are two different things.

Yesterday's events are truly tragic. I've lived in the Truckee Meadow's area for 36 years. I have been acquainted with both men (Weller & Mack), and found both to be very fine men. Darren was a guy with a great personality. I never met anyone that had anything bad to say about him. I would've never suspected that he was capable of such a horrific act. Darren's father, may he rest in peace, was the nicest guy you'd ever want to meet. Not what we've come to know as the typical pawn shop owner. He was one of a kind. When Judge Weller was practicing law here in town I had a consultation with him about trying to gain custody of my son. At the time I'd been divorced for 10 yrs. and my ex was living with an ex-felon that had a drug and alcohol problem. They had a very violent and tumultuous relationship. My son, who at the time was 12 yrs old, used to tell me what was going on at home and how he would rather be living with me. Also, his grades in school were reflecting the trouble at home. I told Chuck all of this. Although I found him to be a pleasant enough individual, his advice was not what I'd expected from a lawyer that I was seeking to have represent me. I'll just say that his advice to me was sympathetic to her, instead of my child. To make a long story short, I ended up retaining another attorney. After the hearing I was awarded custody. Needless to say,when Chuck was running for family court justice I couldn't beleive that he had suddenly become an advocate for father's rights. Believe me when I tell you that he gave me no such indication of that when I spoke to him, in fact he told me that he believed quite the opposite. I will tell you that he said that he thought it was best for a child to remain with it's mother unless there was accusations of physical or sexual abuse being made by the child. Knowing that my choice in the election was an easy one and it wasn't Chuck Weller.

Relating back to the cancer question, it really depends what your odds are with the cancer. Only then can you make a fully educated decision about your life.

the couselor was refering to my ex

I'm having difficulty understanding you. Are you a man or a woman? The "her" you refer to is very vague.

Angela: It's the parent's moral duty to love, raise and nuture their children they bring into the world. You say life isn't fair - then why should anyone's child be made to suffer just because one or both parents decide to not "step to the plate" and stop being the decent, responsible parent they know they should be?. That in itself isn't fair.

And cancer is a disease, that is one thing - but IMHO having several children with a man and then suddenly decide he's no good, and leading to the ultimate disintegration of a family is another. Yeah, shit happens, but why should INNOCENT children be made to suffer?

the above question is meant for "small world"

You're absolutely correct Angela. The children are just innocent bystanders who are only being hurt by the certain situation. That is why you must take action. Action is in the best interest of the child.

I have no facts about the Mack case, but I do have some facts about the character of Chuck Weller.

Three years ago, when I was diagnosed with inoperable, late-stage cancer, Weller heard of my plight and, realizing that I was about to be impacted with ever-growing medical costs while suffering chemo therapy as I tried to hold onto my job, he offered his services to prepare a last will and testament for me (and my family) at no charge. He had nothing to gain from this, except perhaps the good feeling that he had helped someone in need.

I have no idea how Judge Weller runs his courtroom, but I do know that he is a man with a heart. How we impact others is our only real legacy in life. Chuck Weller impacted me and my family in a most positive way, and we will not soon forget his kindness. There was no "old boy network." No strings attached. Just good old fashioned caring for a fellow human being in need.

I have been sickened reading this web site's recent postings about Mr. Weller. This man was shot by a coward, his family is suffering untold worry and grief, and yet a handful of semi-literate people, most of whom have no first-person knowledge of him, are making him out to be the criminal.

Thank God we are a nation of laws and not of the lawless, though many of the posts on this site seem to prefer that latter.

The decissions I have made in my life has always revolved around my children. Leaving there father also was for them...so that my son was not angry all the time hitting and beating on his sister and I and that my daughter not be drawn to men like her father had become....I didnt want any of that for them. Weller once told me that I had picked my ex to be the father of my children and in fact at the time that was true, but people change and sometimes they are not always good changes, they are changes that keep you up all night and have you looking over your shoulder to make sure your not being followed....

Angela, you are a true woman of heart; one that puts her children's needs before her own; a true mother. Judge Weller was correct in saying that you had picked your ex to be the father of your children because you did. But at times, things may change and may seem like something different than they once were. i am truly sorry for all you have been through and appreciate the person you are. you are an ideal woman in America.

Dan, you are correct in saying that Judge Weller is a man of heart. He is a kind man. He did not deserve to be shot, no matter what anyone else says. you have said everything I have wanted to say, but couldn't find the words to do so. It truly is sickening what people will say when they don't get their way. They search for someone to blame;who else better than the judge. But it isn't the judge's fault. The judge is faced with difficult decisions every day. And I think that saying such terrible things about him is shameful to the people of Washoe County. Think of all his family is going through right now. Think of what HE is going through right now. We are depriving him of the respect and appreciation he deserves.

That which does not kill us makes us stronger.

Very true Angela, very true.

I think it should be a lot easier to impeach judges, that would solve a lot of problems, though not all. It certainly is interesting to see all these opinions.


I wanted to let Richard Warren know that, according to former Iraq Generals Georges Sada and Ali Ibrahim al-Tikriti the Weapons of Mass Destruction were in Iraq until just before the invasion when they were moved to Syria in converted aircraft and trucks disquised as relief supplies for a busted dam disaster. So using "No WMD" as an example of superior knowledge is not very convincing.

I can't believe what I am reading. What ever happened divine providence? Darren is the father. His will is just as important as the mothers. Since when are legal eagles somehow gifted in the ability to bust into people bank accounts and give the money to one or the other? Where is the impartiality?

Believe me the issue of business is not going to disappear. Darren Mack owned a third generation business in Reno and this judge was giving it to the mother...in effect.

Are we not capable of better? Could not the assets in the business be monitored by an imparial arbitor and distributed based not on the whim of a some judge that gets elected?

I think everyone needs to take a reality check. If we allow judges to give and take at will , we will also have to deal with the consequences. No single person should be allowed such power. Thats corrupt.

Now that we have had our reality check...I think we need to examine how local judges gained the authority to just take money from people based on a failed marriage. If we cannot find answers people are left to their own devices...namely the recent shootings we are all commenting on.

Querry, i think that none of this would be happening if mothers and fathers would just work out their issues in a civil way. There shouldn't be a family court where families are disintegrated and split up. it truly is unethical. if the parents would just work out their problems outside of a courtroom,there would be no impartiality!

If in fact I would have tried to continue working things out, I may have ended up like the late Charla Mack

Angela, i completely understand why you left you husband. He was abusing you, correct? There's nothing there to try and work out. You did what you had to do. But in divorce cases that don't involve abuse, and custody cases, if the parents would just work out their problems outside of the courtroom, the judges would have no chance to take money from either parent.

This is not a "battle" of wits here...Mr "Get back on your meds", nor is it a forum to out do each other with put downs! I did not comment on Judge Weller's decisions regarding this case, because I do not care to, it is all public record, should you choose to read the files! I wrote how I disagree with the platform NEP chooses to take in this matter. I feel they should have been more responsible for knowing they had an out of control, on the verge of breaking, member and should have never encouraged Darren to go forth with his vendetta (sp) against Judge Weller, like going to the media with his problems! I do not feel that any of the NEP members told Darren to "whoa dude, slow down" and none tried to help him, but encouraged him! If you add a group of angry dads with a man who is spinning out of control and give it some fire, you are going to end up with what happened! What happened is a SAD and horrible situation, which not many of you have acknowledged. A man was almost killed, a man who has family and a life (Judge or not) A woman was killed! A woman who had a 7 year old daughter and two step kids, a mom and a dad and many relatives! Lives were shattered yesterday in Reno!
How can any of you disregard any of that? It does not matter that a Judge makes bad choices. It does not matter that a man was losing his money or child - what matters is that a man was out of control and hurt MANY people in his rage! He has now left THREE kids without him and will forever be known as "Daddy killed mommy and shot the judge" How horrible is that? We are talking about kids here people! Three kids lives have been shattered, not to mention tons of family members!No one involved deserved their lives to turn out this way, INCLUDING Darren! He used to be a good member of this town. He was well known to all. It is sad that his life went out of control. But you can not blame the courts! Know the situation BEFORE you comment! Darrens life was spinning out of control BEFORE it hit Judge Wellers courtroom!
It is sad and this forum should be more understanding and caring, this is a sad time for the people of Reno! No matter how hateful and misinformed a person may be, does not mean harm should come to them! What kind of people are you? No wonder our country is in the state it is! Your posts prove how screwed up this world really is! You are moms and dads, sisters and brothers - why not find some peace here? Take some responsibility for your actions. Be the person who helps your kids grow up to be loving, honest, responsible adults!
Teach them that "fighting" is not the way! I am quite sure that if some of you showed your kids what you wrote this past week regarding Judge Weller, they would be very disapointed in you! Show it to them when they are 25 years old! How dare any of you say a man deserves to get shot! Those of you who said this...did that MOMMY deserve it too?
Some of you are understanding, but most of you are just plain nuts and miss the point! When it all comes down to it, who really loses here? Two kids just lost daddy and one lost mommy and daddy! Think about more than your anger towards Judge Weller, he was dealing with a family that was out of control! Wish these families well! This blog should be filled with kind wishes and regret. How can we change things? What can be done so this NEVER happens again to another family? How can we all work TOGETHER to make sure THIS never happens again? That is what this blog should be about! Now, go forth and blog and put me down- I don't care, you mean nothing to me!

Tonight, my family is safe and sound and happy - where is yours? Do you care? Or do you just HATE, HATE, HATE? Are you so angry that it is just eating you up inside? No, "Get back on your Meds" I do not need help, you do! My family is fine, how is yours? How about you "Killemall" how is YOUR family unit these days? I bet your kids just adore you both! You both sound like winners! NOT! I will bet that you have family problems and blame everyone but yourselves! Take responsibilities for your actions, like what you write to blogs, such as this! Heaven help your children if this is how you all think!

WOW!!! Alot has been said here. I am not one to blame or judge. I am a Mama to 2 wonderful boyzzz and was divorced at the Reno Court House. I never wanted to hurt my ex husband I just wanted him to let me and the boyzzz go on with our life. I am so glad I did not get Judge Weller after reading all of this as even though I did not want to hurt my ex this judge would not of listened and did it anyway or worse yet hurt my children.

Now I will go on to say my thoughts and prayers go out to the children of this tragedy and the beautiful woman (Mama) who lost her life for tring to get out of what was obviously a BAD relationship. My heart aches for them.

As far as the judge goes I was so upset yesterday but after all the reading I have done it only leaves me with one thought "You reap what you sew". I am not judging him, but the man upstairs who is "God Like" just might be!

OK Blondie, you seem to have alot to say...can't wait to read what is next. Are you sitting ontop of this just waiting for someone to post? Darn girl go get some food, water, drink sleep....something HA!!

I agree with shame on you, that the people here are totally disregarding wat has happened to the kids. people are pointing out Judge Weller's faults left and right. Well i would just like to say that a man has been shot in the chest by a sniper. And all people seem to be doing is pointing out his faults. how would you like it if someone did that to you while you were lying in a hospital bed? yes i do have a lot to say Julia, and I am proud of it too. No I am not sitting on top of this just waiting for someone to post. I have a life and I don't like to sleep during the afternoon. I just finished my workout by the way.

No one deserved any of what happened at that courthouse. Starting with an $11000 award of alimony and child support. Progresssing to a shooting and death. Ending with completely destroyed families and a shattered community.

What everyone deserves now is a good look at what is happening inside the courthouse that is creating a need for bulletproof glass...

Something had to give. Something needs to change.

Right on DB, right on.

In my professional career, I've had occasion to provide services for "domestic specialist" attorneys and, later, for a family court judge.

Because my services often required me to be in an around their offices while they conducted business, I gained a certain insight into the mechanics of divorce, custody, child support, and so on.

The "mechanics" I describe do not necessarily track with the law, as written.

When my own marriage became nearly intolerable, and my spouse threatened to "leave and take the kids," I was reminded of remarks made by one such attorney who was now a family court judge.

He had said, in effect, that the law notwithstanding, the judge has the final say, and the outcome of a domestic case is less about the law and more about what the judge wants, and certainly not about what is "right" or moral.

A review of case outcomes (some involving people I knew) convinced me that my best shot was to keep the marriage together until the kids were out of the house. Statistically, my chances of winning were in single digits.

The ensuing 12 years was . . . interesting . . . in a water torture kind of way.

That a frustrated man would shoot a judge is, given some perspective, hardly surprising. Stupid, yes. Surprising, no. Desperation and hopelessness will lead men to do things that most of us can never get our heads around.

Some of us just tough it out, knowing that the system is rigged against us.

Shooting the judge misses the target. Stabbing the wife misses the target.

The system that fosters the inequities that destroy men's lives has too much inertia for one man (especially one whose means have just been gutted) to remedy, and the system is, sadly, not self-correcting.

A man's credibility, after a bad adverse ruling, is pretty much toast. Anyone hearing the complaint assigns it a "sour grapes" label and dismisses it.

Mack, from what I can discover, was a decent guy when times were good. Can't speak to his state of mind when times were bad.

Wouldn't want to be on the wrong end of that rather confiscatory claim ($10,000/month) from the wife. Evidently, neither did he.

But, like I said, shooting judge = stupid. There are less heinous things to be a fugitive about. He certainly had means, so he had better than even chance if he had just grabbed as much loot as he could and fled to a country with no extradition treaty. He'd still be a fugitive, but nobody would be dead and the cops wouldn't be in bloodhound mode.

The system as it stands may suck, but a smart man will figure out a better way to deal.

Sorry, Darren, you're on the wrong end of a Darwin equation.

~~ V

I hope Darren saved a bullet for himself...Save us a lot of trouble.

The reason we have 3 branches of government is so they can limit each other. If the legislature passes laws that don't comport with the constitution(s), the judicial branch is supposed to tell them so and declare the law null and void because of it. With family law, the legislature has given judges unlimited descretionary power to do to people what they wish. people appearing in family courts have no constitutional rights or protections in their courtrooms. Judges can and do take your children, your assets, your self respect,privacy, liberty, and enslave you to another person for life via alimony. When you don't pay it they jail you without a jury trial or for lack of or in light of any evidence to the contrary. There have and continue to be suicides, murders, and violence of all sorts because of "family law". While the men of America were sleeping, the leftist feminists pushed this on us and continue to push it on us and it's time someone started saying enough is enough. The destruction of your life begins with a $30 state marriage license and ends with you killing your ex-wife and the judge who persecuted you.

Judge Weller was a Judge! Nothing more, nothing less. He had to make choices on peoples lives, because they were too immature to make the choices on their own! If people could JUST sit down and decide "We can't be married, but we have kids and lets do it this way" then the family court Judges would never have to be involved! The Judges are left with deciding our futures. Every single person who has ever gone through divorce has had the opportunity to decide things for themsleves...when they act like children and can not get along, the court is called upon to make the choices for us, which none of us ever like! WE CAUSE THIS! We "ask" the court to decide our fate! Then we hate it when it does not go our way!

You read things on this blog from angry
people, who's cases did not go their way. Of course they are going to be angry! Having said that, 100% of the Family Court Judges in this entire country are bad, if we only listen to the "losing" party side of the story! How about listening to the "other" side? Like "My child was saved because the judge heard my story and my ex-husband, who is a drunk won't be seeing the kids until he is sober" Or "My kids are safe from being molested again" Or "My kids do not have to deal with the dads/moms hate and anger towards me" OR better yet " My husband is in prison because he tried to kill the judge (and me) because I got child support and spousal support"

You all are flabergasted at Charla Macks amount award of spousal support, but do any of you really know how much this family was making BEFORE the divorce? The amount she was awarded might be just enough to pay the bills THEY made TOGETHER! They were a wealthy family and 10k a month might sound like alot to you or me, but that is what she needed to pay bills. They made these bills together.

None of us know the situation! Darren was a very wealthy man... er, was in the past years. He recently filed bankruptcy (public records). Stop talking about what Charla Mack was awarded, it was based on Darren Macks income! It is the same in EVERY divorce! Numbers don't mean anything - income is income. Read the public records, people!
Charla Mack was not some money hungry, hateful lady...she had bills to pay, just like you and I have bills to pay. That condo alone must have cost at least $3,500 a month! HE put his family into this position! He afforded them the lifestyle they were living in. She had every right to ask for enough $$$ to continue that lifestyle. She was raising his children!
From what I read on court banner, Judge Weller did everything he could to protect this family and made choices. He apparently knew as well that Darren was out of control. His life had changed and he was not a happy camper. This doesn't give Darren (assumed) the right to SHOOT the Judge or (assumed) KILL the mother of his daughter!

Judge Weller had NOTHING to do with the choices that Darren Mack made! Judge Weller, nor Charla Mack did not deserve to die or nearly die, because a man couldn't deal with the life he made for himself! Maybe this man was a time bomb, ready to go off, years ago! We don't just wake up one morning and decide "I am going to kill people today, because they all screwed with me" I pray to God that Darren is an innocent man and has nothing to do with any of this - that he is just running scared.

This is a very sad story with what is going to be a horrible ending! The posts here make light of this fact. You should all be ashamed of yourselves for turning this horrible event, into some blog war! Children just lost Mommy and Daddy, doesn't anyone care about THAT fact?

I thought NEP cared about our kids - isn't that what we all came to NEP for in the first place? Maybe we should set up a "loving" blog instead of a "hate" blog! NEP needs to STOP adding wood to the fire and making people HATE our court Judges! SEE WHAT YOU HAVE CAUSED? A MOMMY IS DEAD! Are you happy with yourselves?

Just keep fueling the fire NEP, angry dads really need you- Judges families really need you, Kids who's moms have been murdered by dad need you! See what your little group helps? Are you proud of yourselves? Mr.M, I just watched your interview on Channel 4- oh how concerned you seemed! Shame on your group for fueling the fire in an already horrible situation, as in child custody and divorce. A MOM is dead NEP, a Judge is in the hospital, are you happy now? Enjoy your "next" meeting where you will no doubt say "Although we hate the Family Court Judges and our ex-wifes, and joke about killing them, we do not condone this type of violence"...Yeah right, but you fuel it by talking to dads who have had enough. You send them "hate the wife, emails" and what you think are "funny" put downs towards woman. I attended one of your meetings last year and received a few "funny emails"...against woman. We all must wonder...Just WHAT did your group tell Darren Mack, or WHAT advise did you give him while he attended your meetings? His wife is DEAD, NEP. How do you feel now? Am I angry? Hell yes, I am. Do I blame your group? No, not directly, Darrens choices were his own, but I think your group helped fuel his rage.
SHAME ON YOU!

How do you know she wasn't "money hungry"? No one pontificating on this matter has the facts, not even you, shame_on_you. I'm sure there's much more to this story than what is being opined about here. Perhaps it would be best to let the facts come out before villifying or worshipping anyone involved in this case.

It's a sad, sad event where no one comes out on top. That is the only thing anyone outside of the immediate family or friends really knows. The rest is just words from armchair quarterbacks.

Mr Warren
My brother, the judge was shot by a sub-cretin like you. Chuck is an educated person and will understand the reactions of people of your ilk, I however, am retired from the US Army and think the gene pool needs to be flushed!

In all these heated comments I'm glad to see a few examples of compassion and reason. Many people write to this blog without the courtesy they would muster for a stranger on the street... Try leaving the vitriol aside and offer comments with less passion and more reason.

Obviously, attempted murder and murder are completely unacceptable behavior and Mr. Mack will be held accountable and pay the price if he is guilty.

This case brings to front and center the highly emotional topic of "family justice", how it is practiced in America, and how ordinary law-abiding parents respond when their children are kidnapped from them (albeit "legally").

The pivotal issue is this: The present "family justice court" standard operating procedure is to provide initial outward signs of gender impartiality, but to issue rulings that manifest a high degree of unequal treatment towards men and women, with significant partiality paid to women. In fact, all sorts of things are paid to the woman, such as the family home, the preponderance of the family assets, etc., and this is justified by judges because the woman is the defacto custodian of the children (about 95% of the time), and anything that benefits the custodial parent (read: woman) then benefits the children. And we all want the best for our children, don't we?

So the judge has no moral qualm with applying the "gender neutral law" in a highly gender biased manner. Besides, if he didn't he wouldn't get re-elected; who's going to vote for a judge who earns a reputation for "being hard on women" in his court room? Of course, being hard on someone is usually just holding them accountable for their actions.

As a previous poster stated, "in custody disputes less than three percent of fathers win custody of the children. Joint custody is also only ordered less than five percent of the time. This means that ninety two percent of the time sole custody is awarded to the mother". These are accurate statistics.

This sad state of affairs is contrary to the 14th amendment of the US Constitution, which states:
Section 1. ... No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

The constitutional question is the issue of priority of the phrases "equal protection" or "protection of the laws".

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 is based on the idea that that the "equal protection" of the citizens is the key value though worth of protection by the framers of the Constitution, such that to comply with this section laws must be passed that protect people equally, without respect to "race, color, religion, or national origin" (Civil Rights Act of 1964, Title VII).

The only thing missing here is gender. This was added to the Civil Rights Act of 1991: (Sec. 107(a)In general. [This subsection amends section 703 of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (42 U.S.C. 2000e-2) by adding a new subsection (m), clarifying the prohibition against consideration of race, color, religion, sex, or national origin in employment practices.]

It is clear that in a just society "equal protection" should extend to all citizens.

Judges at the family court level don't make case law, they have to follow it, but they have a lot of room for discretion. The fundamental problem with the system is that, since these judges hold elective office, they have to worry about their public image in order to be re-elected. So as a general rule, they aren't going to be hard on women. And they really don't care about their image with men because the men don't band together like woman do and organize to redress such social injustices, they just bow their heads in disbelief and go back to work to try to earn all the money they have been ordered to pay.

On the bright side, they get to look forward to seeing their children for perhaps 1 day in a 2 week period, and that only if the mother allows it to happen, because judges won't punish a mother for failing to allow visitation. What can he do, put her in jail? (No: the children would be vulnerable); assess a fine? (No: the children might be hurt). But if the father fails to pay child support, well, now the judge can fine him without hurting the children, or throw him in jail (the children are safe with their mother).

The crazy thing is that most people in our society are completely unaware of how skewed the system is until they get chewed up and spit out by it. Female divorcees don't see it as a biased system because they are on the receiving side of the equation, and who wants to kill the goose that's laying golden eggs? And fathers who haven't yet had their children kidnapped from them tend to adopt the same line as do the women: that if divorced fathers don't have access to their children it must be due to their own actions, such as failing to pay their child support.

The only solution that truly is in "the best interests of the children" is a legislated default presumption of joint custody upon divorce. If one parent is unfit then the other side must prove it beyond a reasonable doubt before that parents rights to one-half of the parenting time can be taken away. If one parent is unable to keep the children for one half of the time, then the parenting time would be determined by negotiation.

Finally, custodial parents' failure to cooperate with (allow) visitation is more damaging to childrens lives than non-custodial parents' failing to pay child support dollars. Any discussion of "child support enforcement" must include equal discussion of "parenting time enforcement". And failure to cooperate with parenting time should require forfeiture of support money to the father. Anything else is "unequal protection".

Children need two parents, not one parent with a financial entitlement from the absent parent (absent by court order). It is paradoxical that social commentators deplore the modern crisis of "single parent families", when many if not most of these families have only one involved parent because that parent asked a judge for custody, and she gets it, and the father's parental role is then severely minimalized if not virtually terminated by the judge, especially if the mother then chooses to move away or out-of-state.

Single parent families are indeed a social crisis in America, but it's an artificial crisis created by elected politicians who promise things before election day but lack the guts to pass meaningful and fair family laws when actually in office (because there is no upside in it for their careers), and by judges who face re-election and who have limited legal options (due to lack of better guidance from the legislature) but who will never stick their neck out for fathers because there is no upside in it for their careers.

Certainly the right to spend as much time as you want with your children is a fundamental privilege or right as a human being. The US Constitution prohibits states from "abridge[ing] the privileges ... of citizens ...". Surely fathers privileges to parenting their children are being severely abridged by modern family court practice!

Children and our future society are paying for this "family law" folly that ejects fathers from their families, and the damage will continue for generations. "You reap what you sow..."

Weller was not my judge, but the one that was
did nothing but harm and fiancially displace my children.
I have no idea how we made it all those years
due to his horrible judgement and non-enforcemnent of his own orders. The Washoe County family court reform hopefully begins due
to the loss of Charla. Bless and pray for those
children...omg how horrible a fate to face...and
if anything, reform and make the family courts
for the children. Hopefully, like accountants
must speak the truth in a court of law, lawyers
will be forced to tell the truth, instead of
polish their fictional horror stories so that
the judges can actually deciepher the truth instead of the inflated non-truths. I see it
as a problem of good ole boys and their built in
system gone wild...the judges seem to think that
kids are like books, to be sorted and shifted at
the whim of the courts, and not for their best intersest and overall-development. Shame on
the Family Courts of Washoe County. Domestic
violence doesn't stop for the person being
punched, until the children have come of age.

Family court needs so much help to make them fair, able to really study the situation, and
not by quick/slick attorneys that have no idea
what the kids will/are going through.

Family Court, go to school now, the bell,sadly, tragically, has rung, and the judges are late.

I know Chuck Weller to be a gentleman. I think most people living at Reno have seen him around downtown Reno. He always shows up at events and he is mild and mannered. The fact that he has been shot and nearly killed is just devastating to me.

But we live in a different age. People are often disenfranchised or simply not included. No matter how you spell it ..it spells trouble.

This matter of fact system of trial courts and lawyers and judges is simply not working. I for one don't like the principals they work with. It just seems more like a crap shoot than justice.

When issues like miranda rights mean more than the actual crime... get real...we are living with corruption as the new knowledge. The light of fraud as the justice of the mob. It doesn't matter who is right or honest...what matters is...Who is in the majority...

The first time I met Judge Weller was in a "mediation" type setting. When I left I honestly thought he must have been beaten as a child and put in the closet by his Mother. Now I have learned the real truth which is it doesn’t matter if you are male of female-it matters who your lawyer is and if there is a personal interest involved. What Judge comes in and says "I’ve made a decision" before hearing any witnesses?? Read the transcripts people from some of his cases, IT HAPPENS! Unless you have dealt w/ Judge Weller yourself, you've been in his courtroom, and have experienced him as a Judge your comments have no value. His behavior is UNBELIEVABLE, as a Judge (I don’t care what type of guy he is out side of the courtroom) He is a sorry excuse of a Judge and has no business being in the position to ruin people’s lives.

I am surprised this didn’t happen sooner. I would love to have Darren's address so I can send him a Thank You card. He has brought Judge Weller's behavior out into the open, and its just too bad he had to be shot to get people to pay attention.

I understand we all have different opinions based on our history with Judge Weller, but I believe that when things do not go our way, we tend to look to place the blame on someone other than ourselves. I realize that this is not always the case, but it is more often than not. I know I have been guilty. For years, I had been trying to prove that my ex-husband was drinking himself into oblivion with our son in his house, and I was treated like the "bitter ex-wife". My ex came across so gentlemanly that nobody believed me, especially since I am very assertive and outspoken. When Judge Weller took over our case, not only did my ex hang himself in regards to his alcoholism, come to find out he was doing meth as well. In fact, after he was ordered by Weller to take a drug test, not only did he fail his drug test, he showed up intoxicated!! Please understand, during our hearing, he laid into both of us for not following our previous order stipulations, but in the end he threatened to take custody from my ex if he did not get his act in gear. Even so, my ex still cannot get it together. But at least Judge Weller recognized my ex's problem when Judge Jordan and Judge McGee(who was struggling from alcoholism as well)refused to address the issue. I am not saying everybody's experience was pleasant, and I was certainly afraid too, but my case finally was heard after all these years of falling on deaf (judges) ears. It saddens me that someone so bitter would resort to killing his estranged wife and attempt to murder a judge over divorce. There is a saying..."Criminal court brings out the best in the worst people...and family court brings out the worst in the best people." God Bless.

One last note...anybody who posts comments praising Darren Mack for shooting Judge Weller is heartless and cruel. It seems to me that if you favor this type of primitive behavior, I can see why your hearings probably went so poorly before Judge Weller. We may not like everybody we encounter for one reason or another, but what gives us the right to attempt to kill them? Imagine what his family is going through right now. Imagine what you would be going through if I shot one of your loved ones because they did not support my point of view. Those of you who are Thankful are no different than Darren Mack.

A divorce and bankrupcy are blips on the radar screen of life. They can be overcome. Death is final. Murder should NEVER be tolerated.

Amen, lara!

Though the court administrator cites that there are risks to solving problems, in my experience, the feminist family court actually creates problems for the family, especially the father and children.

When a divorce industry employee experiences wrong doing, I develop Sympathy Deficit Disorder.

I disagree with violence as a reaction.

Read about how family court treats our fathers at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fathers_rights

Or visit your county's family court one morning, Monday through Wednesday. It's free and you do not need reservations.

A man is foolish to consider marriage today because of these of family court.

Blessings,

I have known Chuck Weller on a proffesional level for almost 20 years. I was a foster parent for many years and have witnessed the family court throughout the years. The Judges are bound by laws, that thankfully are changing, and they also are continually in a position of trying to sort out the truth. No Judge wants to make a decision that puts a child into the hands of an abusive parent. I have been before Charles McGee and Scott Jordan many times as well. I did not always agree with their rulings with my knowledge of the situation and my heart, but I could step back and understand their decision. It can be very hard, when emotions are involved, to have a clear prospective.
Chuck Weller represented a foster child and I in a custody battle with an abusive father that she did not want to be forced to live with. During this time I cane to know him as an excellent attorney and a very caring person especially when it came to the children caught up in "the system". I can say without a doubt that he is very concerned about each and every case he hears. He is a very caring and giving person. He wanted this position so he could make the family court work better for the children and their families.
One last thought, when you are splitting up a family, it will never be a win, win situation. Children need to feel loved and accepted. They are part of their father and their mother. When you trash the other parent (deserving or not) you are trashing your child's self-worth. If we truly think of our children first, perhaps we won't have to go down such a bitter road of distruction.
Love and Peace to the Weller and the Mack families.

At six, I was taken from a wonderfull father and given over to an irresponsible mother by one of Chuck Wellers predecessors, judge Clark Guild. As a predictable result, I suffered a childhood of abuse and deprivation. My sympathies go to Mr. Mack; I have no sympathy for the likes of Chuck Weller.
When there is no reasonable recourse to corrupt divorce judges, violence will reasonably result.

Ok ...Why is no one even considering the issue of Darren Mack and his third generation business. Why is no one even relating to the idea that trial courts are a failure....just rife with corruption. How can you get up and say..."Its the best we have" and leave it at that.

I have been studying Mack's website at ebay and while fragil it is getting sales. Sales that were no doubt disrupted by this recent court action.

Come on people we need to evolve and grow. The only hope we have is realize our failures and grow. I see it in my head... "What do we get" "Freedom of Speech" ..."What do we get" "The Right to Bear Arms"....and so on.

In many ways this whole episode is not about Darren Mack or even Chuck Weller...in many ways its about we the people and the protections we established so long ago. Violent Protections.

Believe me this situation is not going away. We are seeing it repeated ever more frequently. Our society is fagile ... look at what we have done ...we changed the fabric of reality in our own time...now we face a corrupt legal system.

The only way to avoid the horror of the day is to realize and correct...develop and grow.

"Mack, from what I can discover, was a decent guy when times were good. Can't speak to his state of mind when times were bad."

The true measure of a man's character is how he acts in times of adversity. By that standard, Darren Mack is a shitbird.

And "Nevadans for Equal Parenting" have disabled their website and taken down their blog.

Cowards.

What the hell did they expect, If your going to brutalize someone, kidnap their kids, extort money and torture you with arrogance and iron fascist rule with no accountability FOR 18 OR MORE YEARS. It would be more humane to offer a quick paid in full option like lethal injection then to suffer the rule of these mass murders in black robes. It is not a court of Law and should be put out of business and they know it. DON'T GO DON'T PAY and all the Nazis will starve the lawyers ,judges, social workers, psychologist, Div of child support, DHS, . or then again they may round us up and hold us in barbed wire complexes till we break.....GO USA

To demesq: Wow! What an ego trip you're on! Every once in awhile we poor average people run across someone like you who is convinced that he is our intellectual superior, he is never wrong, and he is incapable of speaking anything but the absolute truth --everyone else is beneath you, aren't they? Well, too bad. I have as much education, legal, and life experience as you do, but I would never presume to tell others that my opinions are superior to theirs. You are in dire need of being taken down a notch or two.

Since when does education have anything to do with this situation? Its probably education that got us into this situation. A man and a really good one has been shot. Another man probably just as good is facing capital murder charges.

I cannot believe he shot his wife. He will die for that one.

Either way the system is corrupt and "It the best we can do" just ain't cuttin it.

We need a new system... I suggest a forum of people with no education and no life experience and no intelect...just to show you there is no patent to knowledge and wisdom.

For some insight on a relationship gone very, very wrong, here's an article on Darrren & Charla's last year. So sad!

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060614/NEWS10/606140341/1002

From the article, I can't see anything wrong with Chuck Weller's decisions in this case.

Nevadans for Equal Parenting are angry, bitter, emotional parents who are not willing to compromise with the CPs. It's kind of scary that they think posting slanderous statements about local officials is politically correct and I feel sad for those who join their cause without considering how the fighting is affecting these kids they claim to love so much. Good luck.

The article is very one-sided, just like the courtroom can be.

I never knew the two. I don't care to bash either. The story is very much "she said;" doesn't look like what 'he said' mattered much.

Think for a moment:

Why does an unemployed person need to live in a $1,000,000 home?
Why does that person require $10,000 per month to live? (especially when the other person is already ordered to pay all her expenses)
Why does that person have no work experience? Married at 30, did she never work?

If another situation had presented itself- the business going under or him dying, she would have gone out and found work.

Just for marrying someone, we are not owed a standard of living for the rest of our lives.

We should all take some pride in earning our own way.

When a marriage fails, we each need to take responsibility for it and our futures.

How does anyone know where Darren was going on those weekends? Was he being followed?

The articles displays much inequity.

And, no I'm not a guy. But someone who has taken part in the Family Court system and didn't like what I saw.

The garbage that goes on there only serves to perpetuate animosity, does nothing to help families, and is nothing more than job security for the self-proclaimed gods who make decision that affect peoples' LIVES.

Like I said before:

Something had to give. Something has to change.

It figures that the NEP took their site down.. they are truly a bunch of spineless, emotional, mostly men who just want the need to feel vindicated.

my Husband, who has battled for his Daughter for almost 17 years, went to a meeting with them and walked out of there feeling dirty, and disappointed with their 'cause'.

He and I both met with them.. they didn't want to 'change' things, they wanted validation and to commiserate.

So, Darren Mack was a member, huh? Great representative, NEP. Hope you're happy with the results. I told you a few years back something like this would happen, didn't I?

I gotta say that there would be no NEED for judges to make decisions for these people IF the people would get it together, grow up and STOP fighting about their minor children.

Do you all think the judges WANT to make decisions for little kids that they don't even know? They don't. They do it because the parents are way too busy trying to control everything and ignoring those kids who they claim to love sooo much.

Come on people. Stop blaming the judges - blame yourselves.. Grow up.

So am I to believe all a woman needs to do is get married to a man of wealth, have a child and is DUE his money? Wow that sets woman back some years doesn't it. She of course cannot get a job, education maybe a plan? Are woman so dependent they cannot make it on their own after the divorce without his money? I pay my child support and anything else my child needs but my child's Mom, No. Believe me I have been to hell and back with her. There were many times that I thought, will this haunt me the rest of my life? Some women want it both ways. They want their independence and they want the ex to take care of them. You all know SOMEONE that is like this. I pray for both Darren Mack and Judge Wellar they are both victims in this case.

Instead of bashing everyone here, how about everyone doing some homework? Know what we're talking about before saying it...

The NEP website is there. So is their blogsite.

Maybe what they're doing hasn't been effective, but at least they are trying. Sometimes just coming together and having a *itch session does a lot to relieve stress. That in itself, is helpful and effective.

Why does an unemployed person need to live in a $1,000,000 home?

Because Darren Mack promised to love, honor, and cherish Charla until death did them part.

Why does that person require $10,000 per month to live? (especially when the other person is already ordered to pay all her expenses)

How do you think those expenses are getting paid?

Why does that person have no work experience?

No recent work experience. She was just doing the trivial, unimportant task of raising the children while her husband proceeded to fornicate with multiple partners.

Married at 30, did she never work?

Work experience gets moldy really quick.

If another situation had presented itself- the business going under or him dying, she would have gone out and found work.

True enough. But his tomcatting around wasn't part of the marital agreement, unlike the situations you just described ("for richer, for poorer" and "until death do us part").

Just for marrying someone, we are not owed a standard of living for the rest of our lives.

No, but there is that pesky pledge to love, honor and cherish until death do us part.

We should all take some pride in earning our own way.

So she's supposed to accept a sharp reduction in her standard of living as her justly due punishment for his continuous fornication?

When a marriage fails, we each need to take responsibility for it and our futures.

Darren Mack sure as hell didn't.

How does anyone know where Darren was going on those weekends?

Where these things have come out in cases I'm familiar with, some of the tell-tale indicators included five-figure credit card bills with entries from known sex clubs, a paternity suit by one of the "swingers," the wife opening the mail and finding a videotape of his exploits (the swingers' club had sent it to the home address instead of the "business PO Box") and, in one memorable incident, the wife getting a call from the Public Health department and finding out her husband had the clap.

These things always come out.

So it would appear their beginning the smear campaign. You can buy if you like.

If he did kill his wife and it does appear that way, he is dangerous.

If he did kill Charla , I find it dificult to see his plight. He probably did kill Charla. He almost killed Chuck Weller.

Darren Mack is in very serious trouble and is probably armed and dangerous.

If a court judge can't take or deal with even a death in a family and resorts to substance abuse, (see articles below) just think what happens and is happening right now with other's who have to deal with orders dealing with an abusive spouse in their "fair" court ordered visitaion. There are dangers involved in
visitation orders with known abusive spouses that continue on for 18 years. That would drive any mother over the edge, but do Judges understand the dangers that their orders place the custodial parent in?

Charla was probably mad also, with the outcome of child support orders that are not timely enforced, and she probably was scared as hell, but did, as a good mother should and as her attorney advised, by adhering to the custody order.

There are five ways out of an abusive relationship.
Kill yourself,
kill him or her,
go crazy and bittter at the system,
go on drugs,
or leave.

Leaving is not an option with custody orders and doing what is right for your children.

Mack, like so many spoiled men who destroy their mariage, through his attorney, who obviously couldn't accomplish his spoiled view of what is right and wrong, intended to do what so many abusive and contolling spouses do, destroy Charla's life, too. This legal tactic, by forcing her into fiancial nightmare, into paying for attorney's that she couldn't afford, and making her and the kids wait on the system. While the bills wait, cashiers at the food store insist on money for groceries, the lawyers drum up more bills to the opposing attorney, and lie about their real scheules and bump court dates for their clients drawn-out gains. Then they create more he-said-she-said paperwork that creates more hardship for the judge to interpret, instead of just advising their clients to abilde by the orginal order.

Charla was probably just picking up or droping off her child
and lost her life to an spoiled, out-of-control-
abusive ex-husband.

Wonder if any judge can mentally endure through a course of his own orders, remain
calm, cool, fiancially solvent, against all odds, and still have a love for Washoe County family court... let alone forget and forgive the damage done to the children, with orders based on falsities , created by lying-lawyers, pre-judgement favoritism, political ties
and non-enforcement of his own orders?
I think not.
How do they think others can? And, they wonder why people are so upset with the family court.

Washoe County judge returns to drug court bench after rehab

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

RENO -- Washoe District Court_______ , after about two months in an alcohol rehabilitation center, said he's ready to resume his judicial duties with heightened awareness.

"I feel reinvigorated," the 58-year-old family and drug court judge told the Reno Gazette-Journal.

_____ checked himself into the Betty Ford Center in Rancho Mirage, Calif., at the end of April and stayed there until the end of June.

He said his drinking reached an uncontrollable level following the death of his father in December.

______ said he'll continue treatment at the center by returning for a day every two weeks for perhaps another month, he said.

_____, who returned to the bench Monday, said he planned to resume his regular calendar of cases, with one adjustment.

"They advised me to reduce my child abuse cases because I tend to take them home," he said. Officials at the center warned that sort of stress could serve as a trigger for a relapse in drinking, he said.

_____ has been a Washoe District Court judge since 1984 and has never been contested in a bid for re-election.

He is credited with helping found the county's family court system. In 2000, he received a humanitarian award from the National Conference for Community and Justice for his work building the court with limited resources.

About three years ago, his drinking began to cause problems in his life, he said.

His mother, Ardella, died in November 2001. Then his 90-year-old father, Loring "Mac" _____, died in December.

"He suffered a stroke and raged in the hospital bed for two weeks -- he roared and flexed and cried out," ____ recalled. "I always looked to him to solve my problems. I couldn't cope with it."
______________________________________________

Judge ________ admits shame

Family Court Judge _________, arrested Dec. 9 for drunken driving and failure to maintain a driving lane, said last week the arrest was his most shameful moment.
Speaking Thursday morning before a group of 50 people being honored by Tru Vista, a family support organization he founded, _____ said life is filled with high and low moments that can affect the fate of drug offenders who come before him in drug court. By way of illustration, he mentioned incidents in his own life that represented anger, shame and despair, recollections that brought a hush to the crowd.

The moment of despair, he said, came in the city of Hue during the Vietnam War, when he entered a church filled with the bones and skulls of war victims stored behind chicken wire.

“That for me was the depth of despair,” he said.

His angriest moment, he said, came when he had to go to Washoe Medical Center, where an infant placed temporarily with foster parents was dying of shaken-baby syndrome at their hands. The child had been placed with the foster parents while the real parents went through drug rehabilitation. At the hospital, he had to restore parental rights to the real parents so they could order life support to be shut down for the “cherubic little figure.”

He then turned to his DUI arrest: “Probably the biggest moment of shame was last December when, for reasons I still cannot fathom, I made the front page of the Gazette-Journal five times. ... That was my greatest moment of shame.” (In the context of his remarks, _______ “fathom” comment referred to his drinking, not the newspaper’s heavy coverage.)

________ arrest prompted calls for his resignation or recall from a group of fathers angered by his child-support or child-custody decisions against them in Family Court (RN&R, Jan. 22) and by the Reno Gazette-Journal. Eight months prior to his arrest, he had gone to a California rehabilitation clinic for three months of treatment for a drinking problem. The arrest drew particularly heavy attention, both in and out of Nevada, because of his role in starting the Drug Court in Washoe County and speaking on its use across the nation.

______ pleaded guilty to a single DUI misdemeanor and was sentenced by Justice of the Peace Fidel Salcedo to two days in jail, $700 in fines, attendance at Alcoholics Anonymous meetings five days a week, daily breath tests, attendance at a DUI victims’ panel and abstinence from drinking. At the sentencing ______ apologized to those he disappointed

Based on the article posted above, I think we should be looking at Las Vegas...

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060614/NEWS10/606140341/1002

I cannot help but wonder at the condition of Chuck Weller. He may be a bad judge but he is friendly soul.

"Cobalt Shiva" That is just the attitude that women (and men) ride on. You are telling me the consequences for his actions within the marriage are to pay MONEY? So are you saying we pay for Love with Money. So he has to pay money for his infidelities because he swore, "till death do us part". The people that chose to end a relationship or marriage should do just that. End it. Don't try and make the other person so miserable in life that they want to hurt you. Walk away and start a new life. Nobody is saying it is going to be easy but taking the first step and leaving is the hardest part, unless you keep harping on the other party month after month after month, taking them to court, making life hell for you and them.

I am not condoning any of Darren's actions by any means but let's all think about the reason he felt the need to do what he did so we can save someone in the future from having this happen to them. Judge, Dad, Mom, whomever.

Look, we don't know the whole story, but to use Mack as the poster child for what's wrong with the family court system seems a bit over the top. I doubt he could relate to any of the fathers posting angrily on this board.

From another site:
" Like I said before, his family has money and the boys grew up in a privileged environment. I knew his brother better, and he was kind of a goofy kid, but Darren was the jock-type that had everything given to him.

As to whether he would commit suicide...yeah, he's a rich kid on a rampage. He's already killed one and tried to kill another, so, as I said before, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that they find him dead at the summer house. Getting there is a different story; there's not too many places you can run in Reno--there's only two freeways - I80 and US395 - and they're pretty easy to watch (and you know they're watching them since they know what he's driving). That's the tough thing about living in a desert--it's easy to get lost, but tough to hide in."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1647993/posts?q=1&&page=301

Thanks, Fathers are people too. My sentiments exactly.

If it's so bad, leave. Scrounge what is yours and be done.

A kid makes it harder to do this, but the endless fighting and bickering makes it impossible. A lot of energy is lost to hate; be happy you are out.

An elderly friend has always said: "It's better to be alone than poorly accompanied."

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Wonder if any judge can mentally endure through a course of his own orders, remain
calm, cool, fiancially solvent, against all odds, and still have a love for Washoe County family court... let alone forget and forgive the damage done to the children, with orders based on falsities , created by lying-lawyers, pre-judgement favoritism, political ties
and non-enforcement of his own orders?
I think not.
How do they think others can? And, they wonder why people are so upset with the family court."

IF these angry upset people were able to set aside their differences in the first place, let go of their selfishness and do the right thing for their children, there would be no need for a judge to intervene..

If they're going to be angry, they need to be angry with themselves. They are the ones who created the mess they're in and the judges are just doing their jobs. They don't WANT to make these decisions - they want the adults to act like adults.

You are telling me the consequences for his actions within the marriage are to pay MONEY?

The obligation was assumed freely. When Darren decided that he'd rather have lots of sex with other women, he still had that obligation.

So are you saying we pay for Love with Money.

Well, one could simply keep one's word, but I guess that's just too old-fashioned.

So he has to pay money for his infidelities because he swore, "till death do us part".

Yes. He freely assumed the obligation to love, honor and cherish his wife, forsaking all others, until death them did part. He then decided that gratification of his perversities was far more important than his wife and children.

The people that chose to end a relationship or marriage should do just that. End it. Don't try and make the other person so miserable in life that they want to hurt you.

In other words, your penis is your master, and you wish to serve your true master without any adverse consequences, and you really wish your wife and kids would quietly applaud your "maleness" and then just as quietly disappear.

Shiva, you're assuming an awful lot about Mack that may/may not be true. Perhaps they were both "swingers"? What then?

Bottom line to me is the fact that they have 4 houses (one that was to be sold), he makes $44000/month and was ordered to pay less than 25% of that salary to his ex and child, and yet he felt the need to kill his ex and attempt to kill the judge even though there would be joint custody and he'd still have more money than most of us would make in a lifetime of work. Spoiled rotten rich kid comes to mind!

Irresponsible comes to mind too.. if he'd just been a big boy, the judge would have never had to make ANY decisions for him. It's his fault and he just ruined his life, his kids' lives and now the little one doesn't have EITHER parent. Now, don't y'all think that's selfish? I do.

Yes, extremely selfish and beyond defense.

I just have to laugh at some of the proclamations made by the NEP - I remember going to a few of their 'meetings'.. and the hardest part for me to swallow was the one father, there, fighting for his 'rights' while his minor child sat in a different room. He's spending their visitation time commiserating with a bunch of other pissed off dads while his kid sits in another room reading books. Whatever.

And, yes, NEP did take down the link about Judge Weller here:

http://search.blogger.com/?as_q=&ie=UTF-8&ui=blg&bl_url=nevadansforequalparenting.blogspot.com&x=264&y=18

Why?

Cobalt Shiva:

You missed my point.

I was simply asking that everyone ponder the questions- be more open-minded. Darren could not have been a complete monster. Charla married him, had a child with him; she was with him for over 10 years.

I was not picking sides, just pointing out that we only seem to be seeing one side: that of the victim of the crime. We don't hear what might inadvertently make the criminal appear more human. That's the way the media works.

Anyway, your answers to the points I bring up... are they facts? or just your opinion?

I never said that she shouldn't get anything. But divorce shouldn't be about punishing anyone monetarily or otherwise. It should be about being fair and helping the family move on in a healthy, productive way.

What is reported to have happened in the past year in the Mack divorce is not healthy. How could they each have let go of the situation when it is brought up repeatedly each month?

It's one thing for the daughter's support. But as for the spousal support: He's required to support her for eternity; she's required to be dependent on him for eternity. That's a bad equation when people are acting willingly; obviously destructive when it is forced upon them.

Your argument for recent work experience is ridiculous. People have to stay continuously employed or the are unemployable? C'mon!

If that was somehow the case, maybe an order for tuition so she could have learned a career would have been a better choice.

I'm not sure where you got all your tom-catting, fornicating information, but even if that was the case, the marriage would have been better simply ended- without the perpetual litigation that just continually fueled the fire.

It's precisely the biased attitude you're showing that makes these cases all the worse. You say "these things always come out" - I hope if they don't, you'll feel differently.

This is precisely the part where our Family Court fails everyone miserable: the sides are pre-judged, cases are pre-decided.

It is way too much of a win-lose system. They do nothing to empower the two parents to behave as adults and support the kids.

In spite of the bad situation divorce most often creates, the system should be a win-win-win situation, starting with the first win going to the children. This is the only way it can be a true "Family" Court; until then all it is is just another court.

The point of this whole situation should not be which Mack was right or wrong- that would only serve to perpetuate the stupidity of our Family Court system.

The point is also not whether our courthouse needs bulletproof glass, but why.

We, as a community, need to focus on what went wrong in the system. And fix what is wrong in the system. The system we have obviously cannot be accepted as "good enough."

And, pointing fingers will not do it.

anonymous wrote:

IF these angry upset people were able to set aside their differences in the first place, let go of their selfishness and do the right thing for their children, there would be no need for a judge to intervene..

If they're going to be angry, they need to be angry with themselves. They are the ones who created the mess they're in and the judges are just doing their jobs. They don't WANT to make these decisions - they want the adults to act like adults.
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Agree 100%

Sometimes one spouse is unselfish and has set aside their differences, but the other one hasn't, won't, and resorts to destuction of
the one who abides by the court decisions?

What do you suggest to the one who did set aside differences and needs when the said orders are violated intentionally, repeatedly?

Have you ever forked up to and way over $5000 at a time for each time your non-abiding spouse violates the judges orders? Wouldn't you just stop trying to enforce the orders and spend the money on what it should be spent on in the first place, the children?

Also, what to do if you've spent more than ever recieved on legal representation, from continual harrassment than ever was
paid in child support, who is the winner here?
Not the parent, and certainly not the child.

If the one who "won't" abide, get a job, and pay $50 a month for a child, has an extreme history of violence, free legal representation, and
gets by with un-enforced order after order, isn't that selfish and ungrown-up-like? How does one parent set that aside? They need the court to be intelligible and fair and have the judges enforce the orders without costing the "will set aside parent" their entire savings and property and extended familiy loan monies.

There is more to it than meets the eye and it can make a person angry, but they still need the help from our system and that should be the best trained court admin. and judges that employ a better system to analayze.

It really is about the children and the one/s trying to develop the potential of the child.

Curious:

Please try the link you posted and refresh your screen. The page is there.

Also, try the mainpages:

http://www.nevadansforequalparenting.org
and
http://nevadansforequalparenting.blogspot.com/

You simply are mistaken.

DB,

Where's this one?

http://nevadansforequalparenting.blogspot.com/2006/04/more-bad-judges-is-judge-weller-fair.html

Actually, I have forked out thousands of dollars and I have been in Judge Weller's court room.. did I like his ruling? Absolutely not. However, had my husband and his ex wife BOTH stopped the constant fighting, things would have been different. She was selfish for ignoring court orders and not wanting her Daughter to have a father and my Husband was selfish for fighting back, when he could have set aside his pride and stopped fighting. They BOTH ignored their daughter and today, even after court rulings and custody battles, the kids is miserable.

Does that mean that Judge Weller deserves to be shot? Absolutely not. It's not his fault that my Husband and his ex wife were selfish assholes.. he did his job. If they didn't want him to make those decisions, they should have stopped the fight.

It's the second link on this page:

92 posts matching blogurl:nevadansforequalparenting.blogspot.com - showing 1 through 10
Judge Weller Released in Good Condition.
1 hour ago by NEP Admin

Nevadans For Equal Parenting are relieved to hear on this morning's news that Judge Weller, the victim of an apparent assault earlier this week, was released from medical care in good condition Wednesday. NEP send their heartfelt wishes ...

Nevadans For Equal Parenting - http://nevadansforequalparenting.blogspot.com
"More Bad Judges" -- Is Judge Weller Fair for Washoe County Families?
24 Apr 2006 by NEP Admin

The Legal Reader (San Francisco) comments on controversial judges. While NEP tries to remain politically neutral, our eye was caught by negative comments about Washoe Family Court Judge Chuck Weller's adjudication. ...

Nevadans For Equal Parenting - http://nevadansforequalparenting.blogspot.com

Curious:

It's comes up on my screen. It's dated April 24, 2006.
You probably need to refresh your screen.

I've tried numerous refreshes and still get a "404 Not Found" error.

Anyone else having troubles getting to this page?
http://nevadansforequalparenting.blogspot.com/2006/04/more-bad-judges-is-judge-weller-fair.html

Curious:
Watch your browser and see if it trying to locate:

http://WWW.nevadansforequalparenting.blogspot.com/2006/04/more-bad-judges-is-judge-weller-fair.html

Then, take out the 'www.'

Nope, it's not there, and there's no link from the main page.

As one who is in the computer industry, my guess is it's been removed. All other links are working... funny this one isn't!

anonymous wrote:

"...Does that mean that Judge Weller deserves to be shot? Absolutely not. It's not his fault that my Husband and his ex wife were selfish assholes.. he did his job. If they didn't want him to make those decisions, they should have stopped the fight."

agree 100%
It is horrible that anyone would think of, or do that to anyone especially a person who is trying to help people. I hope he makes the most speedy and complete recovery, then moves on to make our courts more effective. Hopefully, in your case and in mine, things that are mentioned could be adressed like stopping the fights by some means unknown to us know, the enforcement of court orders by the courts themselves, without the parent having to bankrupt themselves at the expense of the parent who is wronged again, and
other things that are needed, but the system hasn't caught up with yet. All in all, the hope for a better court system is what needs to be
implemented. There are not enough judges for the
caseloads, there should be non-conflict of interest groups can advise the judges with truths, instead of mis-truths, for them to base their order's on, and the children, their education, activities and development should come before adult visitation fairness in every instance. Anon, I agree with you, and i feel we
see through the same set of eyes...we need to
make sure the children are taken care of first.

Hope things will get better for you and me both,
but mostly for our children. One thing for sure,
we spent way too much good money chasing after the right thing for the children and to protect ourselves. This, is the worst part of the problem, that is, that attorney's make about 25 times an hour more than we do, and after an emotional go-nowhere day in court, it makes me
feel guilty for spending it not on the kids.

May the grace of god, and new knowledge from innovative court reform shine down on Washoe County Family Court, and more importantly,may Chuck Weller get well as soon as possible.

Nevadans For Equal Parenting have removed our link to this page. We do not endorse hostile remarks concerning Judge Weller appearing on the Internet.

Inappropriate remarks have been posted in this forum, some of them overly aggressive, some of them slanderous, some of them heartless, and some of them attempting to tie the many concerned parents and activists across the state of Nevada who have joined Nevadans For Equal Parenting to this tragic series of events.

Nevadans For Equal Parenting advocate for legislative change aimed at reforming the Nevada divorce industry. In our ongoing attempts to reform the law and the divorce establishment in Nevada, over the past five years dozens of our members have met with officials and legislators in attempts to bring about such overdue change.

The Nevada divorce industry's status quo is harmful to families, single parents, and most of all children. Many of you here have commented positively about the need for these changes. Nevada's parents thank you.

While close to the issues that have received renewed debate in the aftermath of this week's tragic events, Nevadans For Equal Parenting are not affiliated with any insensitive comments concerning Judge Weller appearing here and elsewhere. However, neither do we endorse the Nevada divorce industry's and family court's respective records, both of which remain to be discussed fairly and intelligently in the forum of public opinion and the state legislature.

We wish Judge Weller and his family and friends all the very best. All of Nevada certainly also extend heartfelt sympathies to the ones left behind to cope with a lifetime of pain as the consequence of yet another failure centered on divorce and custody plays itself out.

Unless this forum is moderated for extreme and slanderous statements, we prefer not to link here. Those of you who wish to engage in meaningful dialog and who may wish to join your peers in bringing about positive change in Carson City are encouraged to join us.

Thanks for clearing that up!

I was simply asking that everyone ponder he questions- be more open-minded. Darren could not have been a complete monster. Charla married him, had a child with him; she was with him for over 10 years.

I was not picking sides, just pointing out that we only seem to be seeing one side: that of the victim of the crime. We don't hear what might inadvertently make the criminal appear more human. That's the way the media works.

Yes, we must "understand his rage."

I fully understand it: it's the rage of a man who discovers that the rest of the world expects him to actually control his impulses.

I never said that she shouldn't get anything. But divorce shouldn't be about punishing anyone monetarily or otherwise.

And it isn't. It's about honoring one's word. He promised to support his wife until death. He then decided he didn't want to do that.

What is reported to have happened in the past year in the Mack divorce is not healthy.

Yeah, he decided that he didn't want to be a grownup.

It's one thing for the daughter's support. But as for the spousal support: He's required to support her for eternity; she's required to be dependent on him for eternity.

He volunteered for the job, then decided he didn't want to do it, because he'd rather spend the money on swinging.

I'm not sure where you got all your tom-catting, fornicating information, but even if that was the case, the marriage would have been better simply ended- without the perpetual litigation that just continually fueled the fire.

In other words, impoverish the one who upheld their end of the deal, and enrich the one who didn't.

Yeah, there's a great idea. That will really ensure that kids aren't hurt.

It's precisely the biased attitude you're showing that makes these cases all the worse. You say "these things always come out" - I hope if they don't, you'll feel differently.

That is what DID come out. That's what happened in this case.

This is precisely the part where our Family Court fails everyone miserable: the sides are pre-judged, cases are pre-decided.

Wrong. This is what came out in the case, in the course of the decision being reached.

It is way too much of a win-lose system. They do nothing to empower the two parents to behave as adults and support the kids.

And you swerved into the problem: Darren refused to be an adult, and refused to support the family he made.

The point is also not whether our courthouse needs bulletproof glass, but why.

Because there are a lot of people like Darren Mack who are incapable of accepting that they are not the center of the universe, and they will strike out against anyone who dares tell them otherwise. And you're cheerfully enabling them.

We, as a community, need to focus on what went wrong in the system. And fix what is wrong in the system. The system we have obviously cannot be accepted as "good enough."

Well, we can make fornication and adultery capital crimes.

Yes, thank you Nevadans For Equal Parenting for clearing everything up... for explaining the need for the webpage closure, as well as for clarifying what NEP is all about.

Shiva, your assumption that the divorce was his choice alone seems off base.

But their marriage soured and they agreed to separate in July 2004. By February 2005, the couple filed for divorce.

Obviously, to many here this is a male/female issue, rather than sticking to the facts of this case. For that reason alone, I don't believe this discussion can lead to any insight and I'll not post again.

May all involved find the peace and comfort needed during these difficult times.

Wow, Cobalt Shiva.

You seem to have all the answers. You seem to be incredibly angry, as well.

It's rather unfortunate.

"... whether our courthouse needs bulletproof glass"

Their are shades that can let light in and still no one can see through. It seems that the immediate answer for saftey in the Courthouse would be to install shutters that allow light in or the top-down, bottom-up Hunter Douglass blinds that cost about $100 to install per window. This can, for a low-cost, immediately,
stop anyone else who might copy-cat the horrible-incomprehensible shooting of a judge or others, from visually seeing into those
offices. A long-term answer will take a long-time, probably as long a scheduling a Family Court hearing, and it should, at any expense, be designed to protect all the people at the courthouse, not just the judges, from outside
view.

My condolences to the children, parents and family of Charla Mack. She won't be forgotten.

Also hope that the clerk that was injured makes a complete and speedy recovery, too.

It's not about which Mack was right.

It can't be he said/she said system.

It can't be a win-lose situation.

It has to be "the children's best interest."
Nothing more, nothing less.

"The children's best interest" will come about by fixing a very, very broken system.

...It will come about by discovering the truth behind 'why our Family Court needs bulletproof glass.'

When that day arrives, we will have a true Family Court.

*****

Let's all pray that the day arrives soon. Let's all pray for the families that the day will have arrived too late for...

It's sad to see one do such terrible acts and take the law into his own hands but the system is broken and each human being has their own separate breaking point. What Mr. Mack did is wrong and should be held accountable for his actions but in the same breath judges need to be more realistic and above all FAIR!!!! People in the paper were saying that their shocked and angry, well they obviously have never been through the court system and been mistreated and screwed over like most ( 85%) of men do. Judges don't need to go off of past decisions because were all different and have our own unique differences. I would be terrified to death if I had to go through a family court and have a person who doesn't know me decide my fate. What if the judge had ordered the husband to pay for 5 years of schooling so she can get an education and go out like others and provide for herself. No problem with child support, men don't mind that it's the spousal support for her entire life that gets to us. Why don't people understand that?? I'll pray for the kids and family

If what people are saying about Judge Weller is true, might there be an official investigation into his practices? Also, what would it take for a elected judge to be impeached in the State of Nevada. Mack's crime aside, there is an underlying issue that must be addressed. If this Chuck Weller character is what people say he is, he needs to be held accountable.

Run Darren Run! j/k

here are the two most popular rumors swirling about Reno in regards to the main characters in this soon-to-be "City Confidential" episode in the making:

Darren and Charla Mack were swingers. Clearly, neither parent sounds like a thouroughbred.

Chuck Weller is an abusive drunk and had a terrible reputation as an attorney within the community as being without a morale compass.

A bunch of winners, all of them....

chuck weller is an ass! though i do not agree with the shooting. i was in chuck wellers court room about my 7 year old son just recently and he did not want to listen to anything i had to say he made his decision before he even looked at my case. my sons dad has not seen my son in 6 years and now all of a sudden wants to be in his life. he has been in and out of jail and prison all for drugs and chuck weller gave him unsupervised visits every saturday from 10-2 and he doesn't have to take the responsibility to pick him up or drop him off his grandmother picks up my son and drops him off. i had all the facts for chuck weller and he refused in the court room to even look at them. he is behind on child support also and chuck weller said he didnt care.
ALL I HAVE TO SAY TO CHUCK WELLER IS KARMA IS A BITCH. QUIT TAKIN TAX PAYERS MONEY AND QUIT GIVING LOSSERS RIGHTS TO THERE CHILDREN WHEN THE DONT DESERVE IT.

It is amazing that people here think they know everything about Darren Mack and yet only know what they have heard on the news. Let me ask you, if I saw your name on the news would I know everything about you from what the media told me? Do you want people to judge you based on the biased information the media chooses to release.

The court precedings where the information about Darren Mack is coming from makes no reference to evidence of his lifestyle. Have we forgotten that evidence is what proves the accusation, not the accusation itself. If you read the whole court precedings and the motions filed (its not a sealed case, go ahead and look it up), there is no evidence linking Darren Mack to the accusations made by Shawn Meador and Charla Mack. The plaintiffs, Shawn Meador and Charla Mack, provided no evidence to support their wild accusations, and Darren Mack provided plenty of evidence refuting their unfounded accusations which the Judge refused to hear.

Before you judge anyone dedicate yourself to knowing the facts about him. You dont know him just as I dont know you. Nothing will ever make what he did okay but he is not the complete monster most of you ignorantly proclaim him to be.

Remember: "The freedom of the press is limited to those who own one"

Justice,
Judge Weller is probably not an abusive drunk, and Charla, was probably not a swinger.

sympathy for all the families is in order right now, instead of calling names and starting rumours, imho.

Yes Nichole, karma is a bitch.....justice comes in many forms both legal and illegal.

Not trying to spread rumors, just thought the people on this board would be interested in hearing what is being said on the street.

My prayers go out to all that are suffereing because of this situation.....

George here again. I can't even finish reading through all the posts without having to clear something up. After reading the news stories, pleadings and all of the obnoxious posts on this site, I have realized that this tragic event did not occur over child custody. IT IS ALL ABOUT MONEY. Yes Charla was awareded $10K in spousal support. Is that wrong? To some maybe. To those who know how spousal support is set, no. Spousal and child support are set by formulas in the law. Does anyone here know that the financial information in Mack's case indicated he grossed approximately $40K a month? That is why Charla was awarded $10K a month - not to punish Mack, nor was it an attempt to deplete his "third-generation" business. Get over yourselves and get educated before you slander a well respected Judge. In addition, are any of you aware that Mack used his business to sue his own wife. He sued her for jewelry that was given to her as gift and then filed personal bankruptcy on top of that. I find these types of actions to be very cowardly. Take a look at this article (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060614/NEWS10/606140341&theme=) - mid way down - Mack allegedly sold the ring off of Charla's finger. You guys are routing for the wrong individual. I don't know Mack and I don't know whether or not he was a good person prior to June 12th, but I do know that I have no respect for a man who chooses to take the life of a person he was supposedly in love with at one time. The fact that he took his dauther's mother away forever shows that he had one thing on his mind. Saving his money! Oh and by the way, for all of you bashing Judge Weller either that he is a woman or a man hater, you are all absolutely wrong. Especially in this case. This was a joint custody case - week on week off. Stop being bitter about your lives and do something to make it better. Bashing and bitching isn't going to make things change.

Oh, and one more thing, whoever posted that they shouldn't have to keep up the "standard of living for the rest of our lives" - that too is an ignorant statement. This was about a 10 year marriage. That certainly does not mean spousal support for the rest of Charla's life. I can't stand the ignorance!

George:

Please explain how my comment was ignorant.

How long was the spousal support ordered for? Was there a time limit? I didn't read that anywhere.

And, if I'm not mistaken, you are bashing and *itching as well. Please help stop the ignorance and enlighten us instead.

I am appalled at those supporting what Darren Mack did... Even if that judge was a crazy, drunken fool, he did not deserve that.

And, by the way, I was in court, in front of the Judge who voluntarily sought help through the Betty Ford Clinic.. I did not agree with his decision, but it is what it is.

And, I agree George - Judge Weller did his job. Perhaps if the parties involved were taking care of business in the first place, Judge Weller would not have had to step in and FORCE them to do the right thing (or try to anyways - too late now).

justice,

i didn't realize it was what people are saying on the street.

I still think it is important to be extra-sensitive sensitive right now for all concerned, and also, I apologize for anything I have said in earlier posts that might inflict more pain into the situation.

May the knowledge gained from this horrible situation create a healing and a basis for
analyzation of what leads to these kinds of
situations, for if this has happened, there
are many cases with people who feel their lives were displaced without just cause, who have contained their grief, not acted in a violent manner,
but still feel their cases should be heard again, and in a different light, altogether,
from the beginning.

I have to laugh at the NEP's explanation for removing this link

'slanderous' statements?

Well if that isn't a double standard I don't know what is.. what about all those nasty remarks you've made about Judge Mcgee, and other local authority figures? That isn't slander?

Exactly, anonymous.

Too late now.

Dwelling on what happened, could have happened, or should have happened in this case is pointless. The Mack's private lives need to remain just that: private. It no longer matters who was right or wrong.

Not to say that something shouldn't be learned from their case. The community needs to take knowledge and work at fixing the very broken Family Court system so that it works better for everyone involved, ensuring that this type of situation does not come up again.

Let's not let it become too late for anyone else.

As far as A&E's City Confidential show, let's hope they stay far away. There are kids involved. Kids who need to get through their own lives.

Exploiting the activities of the people who brought them into this world, while making some money for A&E, would only serve to further harm three innocent children.

It's not their fault they were brought into this world. They certainly should not have to pay any more of a price because of what the people who brought them into this world may or may not have done.

Leave the kids alone. Let them get back to being kids.

I agree DB.. come on people, a little 7 year old girl is now parentless.. this nightmare will NEVER be over for her. Let's show some empathy and stop pointing fingers.

Can you imagine being in her shoes? It makes me cry just thinking about it.

It is interesting that Judge McGee and Judge Weller were going to lunch together the day
of the shooting, but the sniper knew exactly
who was who. Luck for Judge McGee that the
sniper didn't mistake him for Judge Weller,
and create another horror for his family too.
(Wish the sniper had missed Judge Weller also.)

If it is unethical to discuss cases between judges, does anyone know if these two have done
that in the past? If this happens it seems like biasedness would transfer between Judges and I find that most-lop-sided and unethical.

Each judge should only view each case with fresh
eyes, looking for inconsistencies or possible slip-ups on the part of the previous judge, imho.

DB:

ig·no·rant

Lacking education or knowledge.

Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.

Unaware or uninformed.

That's all I meant - your statement was ignorant. You have a lack of education in stating that a person would receive spousal support for the rest of their lives. In some cases that might be true, but those are long term marriages and have specific facts. The law does not grant lifetime spousal support for any old reason. That is simply not how it works.

Sorry guys but the reality of this situation is this is a HUGE story that is only going to grow. The children should be shielded as much as possible, but don't expect this story to fade anytime soon, especially with a suspect still on the loose.

The City Confidential comment was mearly a poor attempt at humor, but you must concede, this has all the makings:

1. prominent business man
2. controversial judge
3. pretty wife
5. allegations of improriety on both sides
6. manhunt
7. etc etc etc

This is the biggest story Reno has seen in many, many years....sad but true.

8. Car hunt to chase.
9. o.j. all over again

Actually, anonymous, about the slander thing:

The information posted at the NEP site is supposed to be true situations that are happening in the court room. Court documents would back it up.

Slander on the other hand is defined as:

1. (in Law) Oral communication of false statements injurious to a person's reputation.
2. A false and malicious statement or report about someone.

A lot of what is being said here is by people who are angry and taking sides, simply bashing the other side unfoundedly. A lot of hot air with nothing to back it up. That is slander.

The NEP acknowledges that not everything Judge Weller or any Judge has done is wrong. Some things have been. Those are the things NEP is trying to expose- the truth. That is not slander.

You don't have to believe the NEP. Sit through a Family Court session. See how it is conducted with your own eyes; listen to it with your own ears. It will amaze you to no end. Your head will be spinning by the time you leave.

I sat through one hearing in Judge Jordan's court where I wanted to scream.

The father, sitting at one of the tables (plaintiff or defendant, I don't know), although sworn-in, along with his attorney was repeatedly denied opportunity to speak.

The step-father, sitting in the audience, of course not sworn-in, more than once interrupted the proceedings. Judge Jordan not only stopped the proceedings, but carried on a conversation with him on more than one occasion.

Do you suppose somebody knew somebody? Maybe somebody was in somebody else's pocket. I do.

Hey, George:

So, while you *think* you are more educated than I am (which in and of itself is ignorant since you do not know me), please answer my question.

How long was the spousal support ordered for? Was there a time limit?

The articles and new stories I've seen made no mention of a time limit.

If you don't know the answer, that's fine. But, your own ignorance of the facts of this case does not justify name-calling.

I'm aware of the definition of slander, as I am a legal professional. I have also been reading the NEP website for a few years and am aware of some of the things they have written which could easily be construed as slanderous.

And, I've been through MANY family court sessions... professionally and personally.

It is what it is.

It is what it is?
That's sad.

I never said YOU are ignorant. I said the STATEMENT was ignorant. I do not think I am more educated than you are. In fact I too am ignorant regarding many things.

But to answer your question, I do not know how long spousal support was ordered. I don't believe that the divorce was final, which means that it was probably an interim order. These interim orders are typical in these types of cases. It is the court's job to equalize the parties during this time in a divorce case. Look up community property laws for Nevada. I hope this helps clear some things up.

it truly is sickening to rid all this bickering about what a bad person Judge Weller was (which he wasn't) and about how judges are to blame for everything. Well let me tell you something, you people are acting like kids; blaming others when YOU made YOUR own choices and they came out badly. It ISN'T Judge Weller's fault that YOU lost a court battle. So stop blaming him and being so ridiculous. Open your eyes. YOU are to blame.

I wish those who have had experience with the Family Court and have legal background could
help the Family Court figure out what needs to
be done from a practical standpoint so to create
a court that is functional and fair to the children first before the parents play-tug-of war.

It seems that in a divorce complaint, whomever
lawyer slanders the other parent better, that one gets the strike and the benefit of the biased doubt from the judge. Lawyers should have to prove their accusations before they ruin a person reputation forever.

How can someone who has been unjustly accused run for a public office with a file full of lies
and the slander contained in divorce and child custody proceedings allowed by law?

Judges do what they think is best for the person who will most be affected: the children. If you have a problem with that I think that you need to grow up. If you think that you could do a better job, then just step right up to the judge's seat and see how wrong you were.

Reading this blog has been very interesting. I have seen many of the excesses of the Family Court System. Although I do not agree with the violent over throw of the courts I can clearly see how the frustration it breeds creates violence. I strongly suggest that anyone that reads this research the work of Stephen Baskerville Phd. Howard University, Washington DC. (simple web search will take you to him) He has simple answers to complex questions and its time that our elected officials listen to us.

I can not believe that any state will allow an attonrey to contribute to the campaign of a Judge. THis is something that could be a great place to start in reformeing the system.

Attorneys defending Judges is like a ring man defending a boxer.

I agree that our system needs to be reformed, but I don't believe that blaming judges will do the American people any good! It is a waste of time and a battle you will not win.

Like Somebody else said - we cannot BLAME the judges. We make choices and face the consequences. WE cannot control anybody but ourselves

It is what it is.. why is that sad? It's realistic. You have to work with what you've got and if most people would do that in the first place, they would not end up in the courtroom and subsequently angry with a judge's ruling.

I am all in favor of the NEP... would like to support them, but each time I tried to, it turned into a total bitch fest about these nasty women who steal the kids.. but what about the reactions of the non custodial parents? The reactions make a HUGE difference.

The judges in our area WANT the parents to learn to work things out - if you're going to campaign to change laws, then perhaps something like a program to help parents work together for their kids in the middle should also be implemented - it could possibly be more persuasive.

This is not the judge's fault. He did his job according to the statutes of the state of Nevada which would not be necessary if people would just let go of their pride, focus on their CHILDREN and STOP FIGHTING!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mack is a typical Class A Reno A******. While anyone can slam a judge online or in print, the fact is, confidentiality restrains those being slammed from rebuttal. More often than not - and especially in cases involving children - there is a lot about the person posting that is left out. (Think when Meth, child abuse, prostitution/pimping are a part of the problem the ranter is going to mention it?) Everyone knows a lot of the bad content is the result of resentment. This is a guy charged with handling divorce, custody and parental rights. The easy divorces are quickly put behind and no one ever mentions them online. The tough ones turn ugly sometimes, and revenge is served through rants like we have seen, through vandalism and through murder. Anyone who has agreed with the latter 2 solutions is a mean-spirited person who will probably never examine his/her own life to figure out what his/her part is in their own unhappiness and / or troubles. That was Mack's problem.

Is Weller tough? He gets tough cases. Any deadbeats who identify with Mack need to sell their H2's and bling and start being a man. I'm a liberal and I hope Mack hangs. I'm tired of these losers blaming everyone else for their troubles.

And RGJ, shame on you! You post these links. You call the guy handsome - why not call him depraved instead. Or is Reno money influencing you like the casino money does?

I am a recently Ordained Minister 31 years old. The main part of my Ministry and specialized in relationship and marrige counseling along with my degrees in phsycology.

I have watched family court destroy more familys and children then parents tend to do themselves. I have also seen family court bring justice to parents who deseave it long time coming.

I feel it is fair to say that not all judges are currupt, but some are no different then how some police are corrupt. Something I personally have had to deal with. I have been beat up by four cops at once for no reason at all. To the extent that the paramedics that came to tend to me help file complaints against the police in question, and ultimatley were proven to be wrong and fired for beating up someone who was not resisting, threatening, or doing anything wrong. Even though they were ordered to pay me for their wong doing with pain and suffering, I spent two months in the hospital recovering with broken ribs a broken leg and arm. They havent given me one cent, and the court has yet to punish them for it. I have lost faith in the "system" as it stands. Along with police.

Anyone of an authority figure should not be immune from having to answer for their crimes against the people who look to them for support and help resolving a conflict. Most people do not appeal a judges order because they are unable to afford the large amount of courts fees and lawyer fees that goes with it.

From the countless things I have read about judge Weller, he may have done some good, but he has a increadably large complaint and appeals against him. I have a friend in Navada who has had to deal with im personally in court and was not even allowed to speak and even his lawyer was shut up and the mother who is a herion addict recieved custody of his children.

I feel our judicial system is in need for a long over due reform and judges along with police need to be evaluated by outside agencies every couple of months instead of years or never. The public is often clueless about that judges actions in court untila campaign and then it only looks like the competing judge smear efforts.

I think killing is wrong, and I hope Judge Weller survives. I also hope he has a different mind set now and pays a bit more attention to those he is hurting. Mack was wrong, and should be punished fully. But nobody desearves street justice no matter the situation. Well maybe the molesters do.

I would like to think that the judges that are good out there would be more helpfull and also take action against those that are bad instead of being like police and covering each others backs no matter how much crime is commited by their own hands.

to: demesq, Glad to see our hard earned money is going to judges ( his declaration of himself)that have enough time on there hands to 1.) declare their opinion on everyone elses right to declare their own opinion. and 2.) who gives a shit who you are? If Sir, you are a judge, I say IF Sir you are a judge, then suck a cock, this is my right that asswipes like you get to uphold. It is called freedom of speech, A "judge" in my humble opinion sir, is a lawyer that can not make it in the legal "real world" Why would anyone want to do such a shitty job?
Murder sir, is not the answer, it will never be accepted even if you got bent over the bench by Weller and had all your dignity as a human being stripped from you by another man that had not heard the evidence and then ruled on the matter.
So I say sir ( damasq ) or (dumbass as I have come to see you as )I say, Suck a big fat cock, It is my right to say what I want, it is not your right to judge me or to come to this blog sir and tell me that you are a judge, a former cop, a former lawyer but not a former piece of shit. murder will never be the answer, neither is your rheteric sir.

I don't know this judge, I'm not from Reno and I'm a father that takes care of his kids and wife. Its a bad thing that happened to Judge Weller, but for people to have this many complaints against someone should indicate that something wasn't going right in his court room. When complaints are sent in on judges, the state should send and undercover agent to sit in on a few cases. Its the same thing with bad cops. No one does shit until something bad happens... until someone videos a cop shooting or beating someone senseless.
Check & Balance fellas

Johnny Goth, you cannot believe everything a friend tells you. That is just gullible. i will not say anything more because you are a man of God.

Black Galigher, just because there are a bunch of people on a discussion site saying terrible things about Judge Weller doesn't mean that they are true. I suggest you get your own information and become more well-educated on the subject before you pass an unfair judgement on someone.

I've been thinking about this all day - and yes, sure we can all sit at our desks and offer our opinions and chastize Judge Weller, but NONE of us have taken the time to obtain his education and credentials and NONE of us has been in his postion.

I've worked for many attorneys, and I agree with whomever said that details are kept confidential. I know.

We cannot judge anybody until we've been in their shoes - and that includes a judge who's job is DAMN hard.. but somebody's got to do it, right?

I don't see any of his critics running out trying to campaign for his job. I'm sure thought, that having to sit in his courtroom doing his job for one day, even one HOUR, would humble most.

boston b said:

to: demesq, Glad to see our hard earned money is going to judges ( his declaration of himself)that have enough time on there hands to 1.) declare their opinion on everyone elses right to declare their own opinion. and 2.) who gives a shit who you are? If Sir, you are a judge, I say IF Sir you are a judge, then suck a cock, this is my right that asswipes like you get to uphold. It is called freedom of speech, A "judge" in my humble opinion sir, is a lawyer that can not make it in the legal "real world" Why would anyone want to do such a shitty job?
Murder sir, is not the answer, it will never be accepted even if you got bent over the bench by Weller and had all your dignity as a human being stripped from you by another man that had not heard the evidence and then ruled on the matter.
So I say sir ( damasq ) or (dumbass as I have come to see you as )I say, Suck a big fat cock, It is my right to say what I want, it is not your right to judge me or to come to this blog sir and tell me that you are a judge, a former cop, a former lawyer but not a former piece of shit. murder will never be the answer, neither is your rheteric sir.

*****
That's just plain hateful..

Amen anonymous, amen!

For your information Boston B, if judges weren't around, all the criminals would walk down Main Street every day. So I would count your blessings and be thankful that there are people in the world who hear cases about murders, kidnappings, and rapes, and keep the court in order. So the answer to your question about who would do such a shitty job is anyone who really cares about the world and wants to be a judge.

Get a life - all of you!

cry me a river. give it a rest. my point is this: MY POINT. you don't have to agree, you don't have to like it and you are right, some judges make that career decision based on wanting to make a diffrence but do you not have to also agree that there are some, SOME judges that are there for other things besides being the one that weilds lady justices mighty sword? can there be any judges that became judges for the money later in life that they would surely get from some huge law firm that would love to have a former judge on the payroll? that is my point, so like I said to dumbass and now I must say to you blondie, suck a dick.bitch.

Remember to pray for their children. For they truly are the victims in this crime.

Judge Jordan should have finished up his cases before he retired. It is documented that my divorce be straight forward and each party getting what they came into the relationship with. My ex husband asked for spousal support jordan said it would not be fair since my ex spouse was in his predicament because of his own doing. He is an alcoholic and drug addict would not stay sober and refused to stay sober refused to work. Violent punching holes in walls, shooting vehicles, attempting suicide several times. (He threatened my life and my friends life on answering machine got it on tape) Got a TPO no problem. NO CHILDREN THANK GOD. Weller comes along and feels sorry for a fellow drunk and gives the ex husband $1000/mo spousal support when it is documented that I have Zero $$ left over after bills and expenses. Weller also gave the ex husband half of my house i purchased with my inheritance before the marriage (made me sell MY house). Anything that was paid for the Ex husband received. I got to keep the car that was not paid off that the ex husband returned with a flat tire and multiple issues. The worthless ex-husband received over $50,000 from a woman who has worked for everything. Three months after the divorce the ex husband got another DUII and tried to committ hairy cary again. Weller did a great job in my case........NOT!!!! That ass of an ex needed to be instutionalized. I try not to be obsessed with thoughts of him coming to kill me. This ex husb. is like a time bomb just waiting to go off.

My friend just got a serious blow from weller. She has had custody of her daughter because the father like to wack off in front of the daughter. The father owes $20,000 in back child support. Now the daugher (now 16 and does not want to live by rules) decides to live with dad, weller awards child support to the father and the past child support due to the mother is null and void. The mother had to hold down two jobs to make ends meet, the father would quit a job when they started garnishing for child support.

I felt in my case that the judge did not read any of the documentation or know Nevada state law and want to do the opposite of Jordan just because he can; he must be a power tripper. courtroom personnel whispered be careful the judge is not in a good mood today. Being a judge is not a popularity contest. The family judge should be fair and impartial and look at all information. Why would a judge be so impractical and stupid and blatantly against women in general.

I know Darren Mack and consider him a good friend, but would never condone his alleged actions. I have the upmost respect for all judges that make sacrifices everday to uphold the laws of our society, including Judge Weller. There is absolutely no justification for the shooting of Judge Weller PERIOD.

But here are some facts that may be of interest to people on this site:

1. Judge Weller was preempted 68 times in one year compared to 41 times for the other 3 Judges combined serving with him in the family law court. If a judge is preempted 5 to 6 times as much as his colleagues it indicates that attorneys that practice in the family law courts do not have confidence in his competence to handle their cases, or they fear bias on the part of the judge.

2. The law firm that represented Charla Mack was a big contributor to Judge Weller's campaign to become a judge.

3. Prior to Monday June 12, 2006, Darren Mack was well respected and an upstanding member of the community with no criminal history.

Please feel free to research these facts if you doubt them.

Once again, I do not, and never will, condone Darren Mack's alleged actions, and I believe that if he did commit these crimes and is tried and found guilty, that he should face the harshest penalties that the law allows.

With regard to Judge Weller I wish him and his family the best and hope he has a quick recovery from his injuries. But I also hope an investigation will be conducted into the allegations made against Judge Weller so that his good name can be cleared or if he is found to be bias or corrupt he to can face the harshest penalties that the law allows.

Brenda-
Did Weller order the child support debt cancelled? Your friend might want to double-check that with the Family Support office.
Child Support is a debt that even Bankruptcy cannot get you out of...
That's scary.

Demesq: I agree that many here are quick to jump to hard and fast conclusions with scanty (at best) facts and evidence. Critical thinking is neither promoted nor taught in our educational systems (public and private), perhaps because it is not valued in American society today. (Though it once was!) And certainly, judges are often scapegoats and targets for miscreants who cannot accept the consequences of their own actions.

Nonetheless, I do note that several of the original (pre-shooting) posts mentioned specific cases, specific names, and in several cases alleged quite specific conflict of interest scenarios. This doesn't rouse your curiosity? I think there is enough information here to justify taking a harder look at this judge's practices.

My training is in the sciences, not law. So tell me, who oversees judicial conduct?

Instead of pounding out irrelevent messages on your keyboards, those of you with children should be spending time with them...lest you may end up in family court yourselves one day.

WeLL,....the judge wHo shafted me 6 years ago,........dropped Dead of natural causes,..
see,...there IS a GoD.....!!!!

anonymous:

"It is what it is" is a sad statement because it accepts and even condones the garbage that goes on.

But you say you went to an NEP meeting. That shows that even you don't believe "it is what it is."

Only, because 'it doesn't have to be what it is.'

It can, and needs, to be changed. From what I've read at the NEP site, that is the point of the NEP.

Maybe at those meetings that turn into *itchfests, what they need is you redirecting them in a more productive way. (but after everyone has had a few moments to vent... so they can focus better!!)

As far as blaming the judge, I don't believe too many people would complain if the judge stayed within the law. Too many times though, the judges choose to not hear evidence or even ignore evidence and then hand down orders that don't follow the law. That's when people become upset.

If anyone expects the two adults (parents) in the situation (Family Court) to act like adults, they need to first be treated as adults by the third adult (the Judge) in the situation who needs to be acting like an adult.

Realizing that the person who is telling you what to do isn't doing the right thing themselves doesn't give you much incentive.

Behavior typically reverts to the lowest common denominator.

Maybe it's the terminology in the Family Court that gets everyone ruffled right off the bat: plaintiff, defendant, award, order, etc.

It's not terribly family-like...

db wrote:..."As far as blaming the judge, I don't believe too many people would complain if the judge stayed within the law. Too many times though, the judges choose to not hear evidence or even ignore evidence and then hand down orders that don't follow the law. That's when people become upset"

this is so true, amen.

ok, all of you need to STFU and calm down! Seriously, you're all a bunch of armchair quarterbacks.
Now my name is Warren G. I know there are like 5 of us Warrens on here now. Whatever. If you're cool I'll know you're talking to me. playa.

alright, so here's the lowdown. This judge deserved what he got. It's called country justice. If you act like a thug, you're gonna get bitch slapped like a thug, no matter what your position in society. That he is a judge makes his (the judge's) behavior even more disgusting.

The other dude, that owned the pawn shop. Obviously he's got his own issues and is psycho. But hell, if you got ass raped for $10,000/month to your hated ex wife, you'd be pretty pissed too. Whatever. He'll get his, just like the judge got his.

What comes around goes around. Act like a pompous tyrant in a position of power and you will get the smackdown by someone at some time.

Now for the rest of you, go take a walk and enjoy life. I'll shoulder the burden of typing here. I already am losing sleep and have cried approximately 3.6 quarts of tears over the absurdity of this case.

Thanks,
Warren G

ps was there a link posted of the killer's ex-wife's picture?

Look DB, we cannot control others, only ourselves. It is what it is simply means that we must work with what we have, stop blaming others and control what we can.

That includes redirecting a meeting.. you're assuming I didn't try. It didn't work - others must be receptive. After so many times of beating oneself up and acting as our own worst enemies, it becomes futile and one must try something different.

Insanity = doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Get over it. You too can make a difference if you really want to. You're assuming I haven't.

"anonymous"
huh? Dude, what are you talking about? Are you sure you're on the right forum?? Or was this accidentally posted when it was meant to be sent as an email to your brokeback lover? Very cryptic writing there...

Anonymous wrote:
"Look DB, we cannot control others, only ourselves. It is what it is simply means that we must work with what we have, stop blaming others and control what we can.

That includes redirecting a meeting.. you're assuming I didn't try. It didn't work - others must be receptive. After so many times of beating oneself up and acting as our own worst enemies, it becomes futile and one must try something different.

Insanity = doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Get over it. You too can make a difference if you really want to. You're assuming I haven't."

All I have to say is Karma is such a wonderful thing. You all think Judge Weller was bad, 9 out or 10 judges treat us made in America Africans with the same disdain, regardless of the offense or reasoning. Im not condoning the shooting but, it is what it is. I bet Judge Weller will stay away from those windows.

anonymous:

I am assuming nothing.

I am not suggesting anyone control anyone else. That is what the current system attempts to do and precisely where it fails. When someone "complies," the others claim victory. It's a faulty system. Family members are treated as criminals; everyone loses their dignity.

My words to you about the NEP meeting were meant as encouragement. I'm sorry you see them otherwise.

The day everyone "gets over it," we all lose. I'm not willing to do that.

Why do you assume that I am not trying to make a difference?

DB said:

If anyone expects the two adults (parents) in the situation (Family Court) to act like adults, they need to first be treated as adults by the third adult (the Judge) in the situation who needs to be acting like an adult.
****

This is almost amusing... Are you joking? IF they were behaving like mature adults in the first place, they would not be in court.

This discussion is very silly.. what is it accomplishing?

anonymous:

I'm sorry. You're right.

Let's all drop the conversation.

There is nothing wrong at Family Court.

Everything is right. Everything is fair.

And, here's the best idea yet:

When there's another shooting, let's all act surprised!!

anonomyous said :"This is almost amusing... Are you joking? IF they were behaving like mature adults in the first place, they would not be in court."

If that is the case, we would need no laws, nor mental illness treatment centers, nor prisons,
nor police.

Many irrational adults are afflicted with addiction and poor education which brings them
to the divorce in the first place, usually for the sakeand saftey of the children.

Who is to say judges, lawyers, and court personel
are not affected with the same illnesses?

Power and control issues stem from adults having to be totally right, and both litagants and judges and police have been known to go out-of-control with ego trips, addictions, and motives that the general public doesn't realize upon initial gaze.

Judges are given a huge posisiton of power and
they have to be held to a higher standard in order to be retained.

Usually, the vote will decide who stays and who goes. If Darron Mack has put his energy to good
use and wanted to change the system, he would have supported the candidate that he feels should
of replaced Chuck Weller. Also, if he is labeled
such a nice guy who wanted to make everyone check
out his case,he could of just committed sucicide
and left a note, not harming the others as he did. He seemed to have to have the last
say in his divorce proceedings by killing Charla and almost killing the Judge.

That is not what an upstanding member of the community does to make things right. It
looks like he had a power and control trip that
spun him around and around into a this rage,
instead of contacting his congressman or created litigants of family court against Weller, or something that would have possibly worked. In Family Court, one only has to file a new motion
to be heard, ask for a change of judge, and things of that nature.

I wonder if he was on
drugs and if addiction made him act like he did.

Owning a pawn shop is not really like owning a nursing service, unless you think that helping
people after they go broke in the casinos, for
7 cents on the dollar counts as being the good guy.

Our system is built to be fair, and when it isn't, people should and will speak out.

Discussions are meant to be productive if possible. Why not start now by contributing and
picking up the best of the discussion and going from there. Just an idea, guys and gals, for if
we really didn't care about things and want them to get better, we wouldn't be here, right or wrong?

Very right, truth.
Thank you.

Everybody seems to be forgetting about the children involved - which should have been, IMO, be the focus of the divorce proceedings AND the focus of this tragedy.

A child's life is not worth $10K a month.. these kids just had their lives turned upside down - they are the only victims here, IMO.

I say fuck this judge...he got what he deserved...Karma is a bitch...Im glad and it gives me a little satisfaction seeing his ass go down...If even 25% of what everyone on here is sayin is true then this guy is a truly volitile, sick, monster that hopefully has learned his lesson and will now take into consideration things he does. EVERYTHIN HAPPENS FOR A REASON!!!...this was prolly what this judge had to go thru to learn the error of ways. I think its sad that ppl get power and use it however they want...how is it possible to not even allow ppl to present there cases and make a decision before ppl even speak. And to EVERYONE on here saying these ppl are making this up, i find that hard to believe considering everyone has the same fuckin account of how much this judge was an asshole...RUN, DARREN, RUN,,,and takes for bringing this judge to light

And to the TRUTH post..."If Darron Mack has put his energy to good
use and wanted to change the system, he would have supported the candidate that he feels should
of replaced Chuck Weller." HEY RETARD, ur a fucking dumbass...im sure DArren didnt plan on getting Fuck over by an asshole judge. Nor was he planning on getting a divorce...how many marriages do you know PLAn on a damn divorce...UR A FUCKING MORON

Let's focus on the children.

Where do they go from here? Okay, they have a
common Grandmother on the paternal side. Do they
have a maternal grandmother and father, i don't
know, but hopefully so. If there are cousins
that live in the area, they should hopefully go
to a family with children or where they can find
unconditional love and nurturing, plus gain insight into what happened in the right way,
not by hearing the neighbors or other students
make remarks which will damage their self-concept. That means they probably should go out
of the area if there ever is a trial. They should be told the truth and helped to understand
the situation by a person who is skilled at that
kind of thing. Yes, they need to go to the funeral, i think, in order to find closure later on, when they are so confused as to why and so to
let them know who they are and where there mother
is buried. They need to grieve, have a place to
feel safe, and have friends that do not needle them for information. The need to be counseled on how to tell people, if someone asks what happened. If there are other kids that have had the same kind of things happen to them, they need
to meet them and realize that they are not the only ones that this has happened too. Most of
all they need a stable home. Since school is almost out, they should possibly move to a place
where the media cannot get to them or by accident
read or hear about the manhunt of their father.
I think that person in the Bay area would be
a good choice, for he knows the children and what
they have going for them, their up's and down's
and so on. I think they will be, one day, stronger than most, if the right things are told to them and they learn that one can make lemonade
out of these horrible lemons that have been given
them. anyone else on the kids issue?

I'll ignore any comments that are not productive
purposes.

Yea i got an opinion on the kids issue for u TRUTH>>>how bout u shut the fuck up...ur trying to act like ur a fucking nun...shut the fuck up and get off of this forum...we all kno that the kids should be taken care of...u dont have to state the fuckin obvious like ur their damn parent...WTF are u talking about..with all these ..."They need to grieve, have a place to
feel safe, and have friends that do not needle them for information" HELLO NEWS FLASH any sensible human being knows that...QUIt posting this mushy bullshit

"I'll ignore any comments that are not productive
purposes." HOW THE FUCK R UR COMMENTS PRODUCTIVE>>>>>NEWS FLASH>>>>UR POSTING ON A DAMN FORUMMM>>>>TELL ME HOW VOICING UR OPINION ON HERE IS PRODUCTIVE>>>>NAME ONE FUCKING REASON, and ILL STOP POSTING>>>>BELIVE ME ON THAT>>>NO ONES GONNA SAY Hey I GOT AN IDEA>.lemme look on this forum how i should RULE ON THIS CASE

Vular,
are you harboring the fugitive or just on meth?

To all the gentleman on here how have been severely mistreated... i hopel this event will bring to light this judges malpractices...im sure most of you had ur shotcomings as parents, and husbands as well, but to not even be heard and actually fucked over more when only asking for more visitation is truly an injustice. Hopefully now it will be investigated how much this judge sucked ass...and if not then hopefully he will have a change of heart and rule after reviewing the evidence and making an informed decision.

Hmmm.. I didn't think anybody was upset about the visitation.. seems to me everybody is upset with the judge because he ordered $10,000 in alimony/CS.

Nobody even cares about the kids.. it's all about the almighty dollar. I mean (with a slab of sarcasm attached) poor poor guy, had to fork out $10,000 per month and he's only left with a measley $34,000 for himself. Wahhhh

Darren Mack is NOT a hero and I doubt he's going to feel like one when they catch him. He's a dumbass, selfish dumbass who ruined his life, his kids' lives, and everybody else who cared about him.

You people, you DM supporters, are so focused on anger and violence - cynical, cynical people and we wonder what's wrong with our society.

What is wrong with people? I'm appalled.

DM is not a hero...but it just shows what can happen when ppl abuse there power, im just glad this judge has been brought to light...i know its horrible the way it happened..but it had to be done so no one else suffers his wrath in the court room

Hey, F*** THE JUDGE-
Just wondering why you want to F*** THE JUDGE?
And, if this isn't a productive forum, why are you here?
Duh.

to ftj,

why don't you get educated, get a great job, and
provide for you kids, so that when they need their father, you'll have something to provide.
I am sure when they realize that visitation is
not the only thing you wanted, they will be able
to feel all the love you have for them. Say like, saving for their summer vacation somewhere,
clothes that the other kids are wearing, a decent
bed, a fund for medical deductable needs, a bike,
a car, insurance for a car, good books, special
activities, and a college education so that they
can write and speak without using names and vulgarity. Just because you can't see them when
you want to doesn't mean you won't ever see them.
After a while, if you show that you really care
for them, not just what you want with them, things will change. Hope for the best with you and your children, and why not try for a change
of venue, or just go pro-per, to save money for
them to have when the going gets tough, and it will. Think long-term my friend...they are not going anywhere but in the loving arms of your ex-wife, who i am sure is very fond of the way you
treat her and them. Fathers are everything to
a little girl and little boy. Why not just quit fighting and let time take it's course and set the example? If you acted like you have on-line, noone will give you visitation at all.

Hey truth and justme or whatever the fuck ur names are...first justme...that was a pretty lame ass joke..how long did it take ur stupid ass to come up with that one...also no forum is productive jackass...all they serve is for ppl to discuss and vent on different issues...that the purpose u dumbass...a forum is never productive..only in the case of putting u n ur place...loser...and to TRUTH..u never seem to amaze me with ur dumb post and mushy jargon...that means vocab, retard....Im not even sure what the fuck was the point of ur post...one im in college dumb ass, two im not a father, and three u still havent answered my question how this is productive??? which proves yet and still u r a fucking moron...and nice try posting things about me that u obviously have no clue about considering im 20 yrs old in college...im soley stating my opinion about the men victimized by this judge...NICE TRY ASSHOLES

ftj, why not try for a career in online Judicial Disipline? You have motives far from reporting an issue with a bad judge. please go away and i will too. see you, hopefully not in jail for
verbal abuse!

Verbal abuse...haha..funny...sorry but im pretty sure i can exercise my first amendment rights...just like crazy lady Ann Courture....but yet again u post another hollow, stupid, no substance POST....I GOT AN IDEA>>>U ANSWER MY QUESTION ON HOW U R TRYING TO BE PRODUCTIVE BY STATING ALL UR MUSHY GARBAGE AND TRYING TO SOUND LIKE A SAINT????

Hey A-holes, I', 16, but I'm planning on being a lawyer and suing all your asses, so listen up because most of you dont know the first thing about law except what you watch on Judge Judy!
This guy broke the law. The judge broke the law. When people break the law, bad things happen. Hopefully both the shooter and the judge end up in the same cell block in the supermax prison in colorado.
Now you can all go back to bitching, but at least you know an educated posittion now. Dummbbies!

BUT IM SURE U CANT>>>BECAUSE U DOING NOTHING FOR N E ONE PRODUCTIVE BY POSTING THAT STUFF...LETS FOCUS ON THE KIDS>>>>GIVE ME A BREAK

HEY LAWYER WANNBE....how r we morons...im pretty sure everyone on here know shooting someone is against the law asshole...but try this one...HOW BOUT I EDUCATE ur dumbass...U SPELL POSITION>>>NOT POSITTION>>>UR A FUCKING MORON

FTJ,
leave it at this, focus on you, for you are productive of the reason to build a new court,
the court of bad taste.

names are the only way you can communicate you
abusive superior nature...very mushy and productive to say the most

If you must have the last productive word, have it now...

You know what, F*** THE JUDGE-
You've been far outdone by 16-year-old lawyer wannbe.
LW made a lot more sense in one post than you have in all of yours combined.
You should not criticize anyone's spelling when you cannot spell yourself.
I'm glad to hear you are in college. Please stay in there; it may do you some good.
Lose the anger.
And find some words to use that are not 4-letter and do not begin with F. You will sound much more intelligent, if nothing else.

I will, by stating ur last post makes absolutely no sense,much like everything youve had to say today

How was i outdone by a 16 who basically posted the equivalent to stating that the sky is blue...hey i got one...DM commited a crime...am i genius to now justme...well according to ur logic i am...Damn ur a fucking idiot

F*** THE JUDGE-
You are a funny, funny little person!

I appreciate that, considering, u know someones been outdone when they dont respond to ur point only with a mindless comeback...much like urs.

I was a personal friend of the Mack's and regardless of their lifestyle, it doesn't make them bad people or bad parents. Yes, Darren was a swinger but so was Charla, who cares what people do behind closed doors. The issue here is Darren believed he was being screwed out of money and he is a spoiled brat that is not used to NOT getting his way. Because he knew he wasn't going to get out of paying spousal support, he took care of the person that he believed in his opinion was to blame. He is a rich man who believed he is above the law and they will NEVER CATCH HIM, it is a sad truth but they will not. As a friend, I know for a fact that he travelled to South America often, he had ties there and I can guarantee he is already there under a new name. He is a sick pig that instead of doing what is best for his kids, took his daughter's mother from her and now she doesn't have ANY parents.

As far as the judge, my mother works for him and I can tell you, he is not fair, he rules as a tyrant and has a "God-like" complex. Several months ago, my mother went to her supervisor and told them she felt unsafe in his court room. That doesn't not give Mack the right to shoot him, go through the necessary channels to TRY to change it. Our world is filled with uncertainties. BUT I HAVE AN IDEA FOR MACK .... STOP GETTING MARRIED WITHOUT PRE-NUPS WHEN YOU ARE A MILLIONAIRE. Imagine that, stop playing the victim card and take the necessary steps to make sure you are protected in the unforseen instance of divorce. He is a jackass, I hope he fries but he won't. In 2003, his net worth was about 10 million; 10k a month was worth him taking his child's mother forever.

justiceforchildren

Back to the facts:

Judge Weller may have abused his power. From many comments going back over a year, it's more likely than not. This should be illegal, sadly it is not.

Darrel Mack broke the law.

Charla Mack is dead.

Many peoples lives are destroyed and damaged because of the Weller and Mack.

Family Court just does not work well too many times.

There are three innocent children who have just been robbed of their innocence and their parents because of a mess caused by three adults they should have been able to trust to keep things right for them.

Where does the community go from here?